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Hello, my name is Will Spencer, and welcome to the Will Spencer Podcast.

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My guest today is Spencer Smith, husband, father, fundamentalist, Baptist pastor, and the creative force behind the incredible documentary series Third Adam.

Now let me be Mysticism is real.

The occult is real.

The New Age isn't just feel good fluff.

World religions aren't playing with imaginary friends.

These connect to actual spiritual realities, forces that people can tap into, ally with, and use against others.

I can't say it any clearer.

Yet no matter how many content creators, influencers and authors point this out, many Christians still resist these truths.

Now look, I get it.

You can dig too deep into this stuff.

That's one ditch on this road.

But there's another ditch.

Ignoring it completely, plugging your ears, covering your eyes and burying your head in the sand.

But just look at the New Testament.

Supernatural realities are everywhere.

Demons get cast out by the legion.

Angels announce risen saviors.

Sorcerers follow apostles to learn their secrets.

Girls become possessed with divining spirits.

Some ghouls even say things like Jesus, I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?

Acts, chapter 19, verse 15.

Do fallen angels have office meetings?

Does Satan use PowerPoint?

How does that work exactly?

But seriously, if we believe God's word is true, don't we have to accept that supernatural forces exist and interact with us and that we can interact with them?

Scary thought, right?

Nobody wants to believe that there might actually be a little devil on their shoulder, especially in our atheist, materialist, rationalist world.

But if we truly believe the Bible, we must face this possibility and much more.

I see no reason why it shouldn't be true.

If you're still skeptical, that's fine.

Let's say there is a reason beyond our fears and hidden secularism why these realities might not exist anymore.

Are you willing to look at evidence that says otherwise?

Because back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, the church took this much more seriously.

Authors like Constance Cumby wrote the Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, Douglas Grouchius wrote Unmasking the New Age, and Walter Martin's works expose these realities.

Then came nap time.

Everyone just forgot.

The church took its eye way off the ball.

This let mystical beliefs take root, grow and spread until people just accepted them.

Now Joe Rogan casually discusses DMT elves.

Occult rituals show up at major TV events, yoga Studios sit on every corner and newspapers still print horoscopes.

But here's the worst part.

What if the occult and New Age have spread further?

What if they've reached church sanctuaries?

What if they've infected the teaching, preaching and beliefs of pastors themselves?

And that's where Spencer Smith comes in his third Adam.

Documentaries, which are free on YouTube, show the occult and New Age influence on Christianity in a way that no book can.

With video and audio evidence, he uses preacher's own words and practices to provide literally damning proof that the church has changed.

And Spencer's documentaries aren't amateur work.

They show real heart, commitment and skill.

This isn't just some kid in his basement.

Well, okay, he is in his basement.

And sometimes his humor gets a bit juvenile.

But that's not the point.

Spencer has mastered this material, investing serious time and effort.

He's done the hard work to bring these subjects home to you.

He wants you equipped, aware, and ready to spot these influences when they appear.

And trust me, after watching his documentaries, you'll spot them maybe too close for comfort in your church, your community, your family background, or even, God forbid, your own home.

The Christian church's blindness hasn't gone unnoticed.

In fact, mysticism and the occult have claimed huge pieces of cultural and theological ground in record time.

We're living in occupied territory, and my interview with Carl Tykrib about Burning man proved that maybe we can't change what happens in the Nevada desert.

Fair enough.

But if you're ready to push back against what's happening in the church, Spencer will arm you with what you need now.

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And please welcome this week's guest on the podcast, a rip Roaring Good Time with the producer and director of of The Third Adam documentaries.

My bro, Spencer Smith.

Spencer Smith, director of the third Adam series of documentaries.

Welcome back to the Will Spencer podcast.

Thank you.

Glad to be here.

I have been so looking forward to this conversation.

The last time we talked, I think I'd seen the first of your three Third Adam films, and I watched the third Adam four recently and, and truly, man, I was really blown away by your work.

As many of my listeners know, I sort of came up through the new age world, and I don't know that I've seen anyone from inside the world of Christendom document the ideas and principles as well as you have.

So congratulations to you and thank you.

Amen.

Thank you.

It was a lot of work, but it was a work worth doing and so we're glad to see God use it.

Praise God.

So for those of you who aren't, for those listening who aren't familiar with the third Adam series, maybe we can talk just for a moment about, about the overarching philosophy of it, the theology of it, I suppose, and then how you got into this work in general when the, when the project started.

Well, yeah, I was, you know, I was working in Kenya, going back and forth, taking several trips a year there.

I think I've done over 20 trips to Kenya working with nationals over there and, you know, just talking to them and saying, hey, guys, okay, so what's the big deal with some of the problems you guys are facing?

Because I want to, I'm going to come alongside and assist you guys and help you succeed.

And, and they all, without any question, said, it's the, the charismatic movement is the enemy over here.

This is the big enemy of the gospel.

This is, these are the people that we have to push back against.

It's not fun.

It's not good.

And I said, well, what do I need to know so I can maybe kind of help, help fight back against this stuff?

And they said, well, you have to understand, Spencer, that the, the charismatic movement over here is nothing more than the occult repackaged.

And I said, well, you know, wow, okay.

And they told me that.

And they, they, they live up.

And there was a town they called Mananja, Kenya, which was like the witchcraft capital of Ken.

And, and they told me, said, these guys are, these witch doctors are the same thing as these charismatic preachers, and they're, they're operating by the same power, maybe just a different variation of it, but ultimately it's the same thing.

And that really just, that was a, like, quite a load to roll onto me.

Yeah.

And me and my blessed little IFB ignorance right there had no idea what that was.

You just, you just dropped a theological warhead on me.

And.

And so I went home and wrestled with that.

And I said, okay, well, let's see.

I mean, you telling me Hillsong is the occult that stop.

That's a big one.

Yeah, big leap.

Yeah.

And so I started listening to it, and I started noticing saying.

And I would listen to it because I was trying to like, you know, I liked it.

I was just trying to listen to what it was.

And, and so I noticed that these people are just, they just, they're just not plugged in the same outlet that I am.

And then I started listening to Bethel, and then that took me to elevation.

I stuck my head into the world of Steven Furtick, and then I stuck my head in the world of all this stuff, and I thought, oh, my goodness, these people are the occult.

They absolutely are.

They're not, maybe not black magic, but they're ultimately a white magic form of this stuff.

And, and then that sent me on the journey of having to understand what the occult was and trying to understand the new age and then not completely obey, oppress myself by going in there and reading everything imaginable from that.

And I had to kind of.

God gave me the right places to talk to, and God actually put people in my life to teach me where the places to look were.

And I thank God for that.

And so I was able to take that information, filter it through my theological understanding and say that, yes, there is a one world religion trying to be formed right now, and the motive is unity and love and kindness and set aside all your doctrinal differences and come together in some Kumbaya, you know, mush in the middle.

And, and that ultimately the music was going to be a vehicle by which this was.

Was happening.

And, and, and that's ultimately Satan's goal.

Give up your doctrine and just join the rest of us.

Just do all that.

And I, I see all.

Not just independent Baptist churches, but I saw.

I mean, I saw evangelicals, I saw the Reformed crowd.

I saw a lot of.

Even Lutheran churches were getting into this stuff.

And, and I decided, okay, let's just put this stuff out there.

And it became third Adam and third Adam.

Really, we dropped that one.

So.

Oh, wow.

It was the providential timing of God for that to happen.

And from there, our YouTube channel kept growing.

Six months later, on June 6th, I did.

I did third Adam two, and then about a year later did third Adam three.

And then a year after that, third Adam four.

And we're about 18 months after third Adam four, and I still haven't.

I haven't done third out of five yet, so.

But that's where we are now, the whole series.

As.

As a whole, I think we're closing on 3 million views in the whole series, and it's a blessing.

So I really am glad for the opportunity.

I want to do 10 of them.

That's my.

My goal.

And there's a lot.

We can do, a lot of different angles.

We can go with it because it's just.

It's like.

It's.

It's so prevalent and it's everywhere, and I.

I want to try to captivate all this stuff and get it, but I appreciate your prayers on that.

But definitely the Lord has helped me to do it, and I thank God for that.

And it's.

It's really been a great thing.

I had no idea that it started as a result of your overseas ministry work.

I think I had heard you mention that maybe in another interview or in a podcast, briefly, but that's not what I would have expected, that you would have heard about it over in Africa, and that would have sent you on the journey that it did.

I bet you didn't expect hearing that little bit of information that it would send you, you know, on a journey, 3 million views later.

Later.

No, I.

I had no idea.

I really didn't.

And it.

It.

I keep telling those pastors in Africa, you guys mess me up, you know, and you guys really ruined my life telling me stuff like that.

Don't tell me stuff like that, because I believe it.

And so.

But, you know, we.

I really love those men over there, and I've tried to help them try to give my life to mission work and stuff like that.

And.

And it's been a blessing to see God use it.

It's been a joy.

So as you came back, this is very interesting to me.

So as you came back with that bit of knowledge that kind of, you know, like the movie Inception, that just sort of plants this seed of an idea, and as you start digging into this, what was you.

Can you remember the first thing that you discovered that was like, oh, wow, maybe there's some reality to this that sort of gave you the clue, like, there could be a path through the.

Through the jungle here?

Well, one of the first.

Aha.

Moments that I had was understanding.

Okay.

It was understanding Eastern martial arts.

Okay.

And I remember back in my childhood, I remember I went to the movie theater as A little boy watching the Karate Kid.

And you remember how Daniel LaRusso had that sore shoulder and he's complaining about it.

Mr.

Miyagi goes and touches his shoulder and heals his shoulder.

And I thought, oh, wow.

I mean, is that not what Kenneth Copeland does?

Is that not what Benny Hinn does?

Is that not literally the exact same thing?

And I thought, there it is.

That's it.

And let me go find examples of this.

And I just put it together on the screen and said, here's a Pentecostal church.

Here is a Eastern mystic.

Here is a, you know, here is a charismatic worship service.

Here is a Hindu in India doing the exact same stuff.

And I say that they.

They are the exact same fruit because they come from the exact same root.

That's the same spirit, the same source, just maybe a different slant on it.

One.

One is brown people and yellow people doing it in the East.

The other one's white people doing it in the West.

It's the same thing.

And, And I think my.

My.

My years of traveling gave me that perspective to where I could.

I could say that.

And, and for me, I've never, You know, and that's why I tell folks at the beginning of Third Adam three, I said, I'm going to show you things that you.

You'll see things in this film that you'll never unsee.

And.

And for me, I've been ruined.

I can't unsee it.

I just.

I've seen too much.

Yeah, it.

It changes you once you see it, but the trick is getting people to see it.

Some people might look at that and say, oh, well, that's completely different.

One is Christian and the other is various forms of pagan.

But you had actually discovered that they do spring from the same root.

Did you.

Did you have trouble convincing people of that?

Because, yes, the surface appearances can look one way, but convincing them that it issues from the same source, I imagine that was a different challenge.

I got a lot of hate from people that were deeply rooted in the charismatic world.

Yeah, I bet.

You know, like, like.

And I'm put to you this way.

I got a lot of hate from people whose paycheck dependent on believing this.

I'll put it through that way, okay.

But people sitting in the pews saw this, instantly, said, oh, my goodness, what?

Why are we even here?

And they left.

And I don't know how many charismatic churches I've split, brother, but it, It.

It's been a lot.

Um, and I don't know how many charismatic preachers have my face on the wall and throwing darts at me every week.

But it's probably been a lot.

And, And I'm good with that.

I feel good about.

I'm happy about that.

But you know what?

What I've discovered is that if I, if I don't.

If I slice it down to, like, okay, just music here, here's Hillsong is like effeminate pretty boy Barbie music for Christians.

And it's not.

That's not what you need to be listening to.

You need more masculine.

You need to broaden your.

You know, okay, if I narrow it down and just make that attack, people get mad.

Yeah.

And it's.

And it's the Barbie pretty boy crowd that gets mad and says, well, why are you doing judging me?

Oh, that's what they do.

But if I tie it into the occult and show that the source of this music is something that is completely theologically nefarious, then everybody's pretty well okay.

With that said, yeah, you got a point.

And that, I think that's really why this series has been so successful is because, you know, I'm not.

I'm not arguing purple lights and skinny jeans, and I'm not arguing hair, and I'm not arguing, you know, I'm really not even arguing the.

The tone of their voice or anything like that.

I'm.

I'm arguing the big picture stuff.

And, And I.

And my.

The difference for me is, is that I think I've got the basics of the occult and the New Age down enough so that I can speak about it with knowledge and authority, whereas a lot of people can't.

And I think that's the difference for me.

Yeah, you've really.

This was especially apparent in Third Adam four, that you had really done the work to master the material.

Because I came, I think, as we talked about, like, I came pre bundled into Christianity with this knowledge because that was my world.

And so to some extent, I guess I would say I took it for granted almost.

And so as I'm watching, you know, Third Adam four, I'm like, oh, wow.

Spencer has really mastered this stuff from the outside, which is.

Which is quite difficult to do because in a sense, you have to get inside the mindset to see how all the pieces fit in a way.

And it is.

It does all click into place in this very nefarious way.

But it's hard to, first of all, to believe that it's real, which it is.

And then there's so much work that needs to be done to understand how all the pieces fit together.

And it Seemed that.

I think as I let you know, that you had.

You had really synthesized everything into.

Into the picture that I understood coming from that world.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, it's.

I.

Here's what I've done, and I don't ask God to show me the understanding the cult.

That would be absurd to pray that.

But what, what happened was in the book of Revelation, John saw the woman and, and the angel of the Lord said unto John, I will show thee the mystery of the woman.

And I asked God to show me the mystery of the woman.

I want to see, you know, not just understand this just for this.

I want to understand this as to.

So that I can understand how it applies to the church and how it applies to the overall deception game plan of Satan.

That's what I want to understand.

I want to see.

I want to see how this works.

And I think God is to some degree answered that prayer in my life.

I want.

Help me to see this mystery of the woman.

I want to, you know, I don't want to be ignorant of Satan's devices.

Show me what we're up against.

And I think God has to some degree.

And, you know, it's been.

It's been tough.

It's been tough trying to.

Just trying to make sense of it all because when you're dealing with something like this, you're dealing with something that has no set doctrine.

It's.

It's a fluid, evolving, you know, just a rolling.

Everything's changing.

And that's why the Bible calls it mystery religion, because it's, It's.

It glories in its evolution.

It's always changing and evolving and whatever.

And.

But if you, if you understand it well enough, you can understand the patterns and the.

And the basics of it well enough to spot it.

And, And I think, I think that's where I am now.

I think I can understand the basics and see the pattern recognition of it.

And it's very multifaceted.

It's everywhere.

It's in politics, it's in music, it's in.

It's in Hollywood.

You know, there's so much of that stuff in the Hollywood movies, I almost can't even hardly watch anything anymore.

And it's ridiculous, brother.

But.

But I think we need to know that as Christians so that we don't get swept away into something like that.

And it tries to pretend that it doesn't exist.

Oh, this is just art.

Oh, it's just me being creative or whatever.

It's not actually real, but it is actually.

It is actually really real.

That, that the performance of the thing has efficacy, even if you, even if the audience doesn't believe it.

A good example is all these super bowl halftime shows.

And maybe we could, we could talk about Kendrick, Kendrick Lamar's, which just took place a few days ago, if you'd like.

But, you know, I think that one was kind of noteworthy for its lack of overt occult symbolism.

But the movie, Movie Awards, Grammy Awards, you know, so many music videos and films, everything in popular culture has become occultic in nature.

And this stuff is real.

It has, it has real impact.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's absolutely real.

There's no question, anybody who would say that there's nothing to.

This is crazy.

You don't know what you're talking about.

This is a real religion that these people actually believe in and they actually do practice it openly in front of your children.

And, and once you, once you understand that, you can, you can start to guard yourself from it and keep yourself away from it.

You know, there are, and I would say this too, one thing you have to understand, there's different degrees of it as well.

It's, you know, like there was what Sam Smith, I don't even know, he claims these non binaries, that.

That's American singer or something.

And he, he, he did that.

He did a song called Unholy at the Grammys.

And I don't get it, but a lot of these evangelical songwriters were there maybe sitting in the audience watching that while that happened and got their grammar a few hours later that evening.

I don't understand how that works, but whatever.

But.

So that was over the top, blatant in your face demonism.

The man was wearing red horns and a pitchfork and dancing around.

And so that's overtly occultic, but there is more subtle versions of the occult that I think are just as dangerous, if not even more dangerous than that.

And that's the type of stuff I talk about because that's the type of stuff that takes on a form where it operates inside of a building that calls itself church.

But it's just as dangerous, it's just as demonic, it's just as evil, but it has a veneer of positivity, sweetness, and even, I would even say a veneer of Christianity.

And when you look at it that way, you understand that men like Steven Furtick and Bill Johnson are some of the most dangerous people alive today.

Even, even beyond Aleister Crowley and Alice Bailey and all that stuff, these people are dangerous.

And I think it's easy to see the.

The problems with Kenneth Copeland because the man, I mean, the man wears his demon face on his face.

You know, I mean, the man's just completely.

Just eat up with all that.

But you got guys like, you know, Brandon Lake and you got guys like Steven Furtick and you so many other guys out there, I forget that one guy.

Oh, Carl.

Lyn, you know, Carl.

I watch Carl's podcast.

Carl's very likable.

He's very intelligent guy, but he's just evil.

He just is an evil human.

And I mean, honestly, brother, you can't.

You can't tell me a man who's that sensual, who's that playboyish, is right with God.

Ain't no way that's right.

And, you know, he.

He just got it written all over him, brother.

He's got it written all.

He got the mark of sensuality on everything.

Even his teeth are sensual.

I mean, really.

And he just.

He's got it written all over him.

And, and so that.

That's just all.

It's all flesh.

It's all.

It's all the work of.

Of flesh.

They know the spirit of God's not within a million miles, that kind of people.

And so that's the type of stuff I'm using my influence to expose and talk about.

And, and I wish.

I wish, I wish to be used to call out the wolves in my day, and there's a bunch of them.

There's going to be more and more and more as time goes on, but that's what I hope to do.

And I think if I can do that, I'll be.

I will be of great service to the local church in these last days.

So to that point, maybe you can talk for a minute about some of the costs you've paid.

Talking about the stuff you mentioned that charismatic preachers threw darts at your photo on the wall and you've.

And you've split churches.

Not you personally, but the.

What you've discovered.

People who are committed to these doctrines and practices and people who want nothing to do with it.

Maybe you can talk a little bit about your journey of putting this information out there and some of the costs that you've paid maybe in terms of relationships, friendships, career, family, et cetera.

Well, anytime you start to speak on these things, the devil makes sure that.

That people react the wrong way or they mishear things.

You know, one of the greatest tools of Satan is to magnify the faults of the messenger so that people will eventually ignore the message.

And that's one of his great Tools.

And I've suffered great personal attacks on my own life.

You know, people.

People just nitpick me for everything.

Imagine.

Well, it's almost ridiculous.

And.

And that's just.

That's part of it.

Anytime you're a public figure, that's the kind of stuff you're going to go through.

I can.

I can imagine what it'd be like being, you know, a major politician or something like that who's doing the right thing.

But I've lost.

I've lost support, I've lost friends over a lot of this stuff.

I've lost opportunities in ministry.

But through all that, God has paid me all that back, you know, three, three to five, ten fold.

You know, I've got more friends now than I know what to do with.

I got more opportunities now than know what to do with.

It's really been a blessing.

And I think what happens, I just speak to my world, the Baptist world that I'm in.

When, when my YouTube channel started taking off and people started actually listening to me, that was weird to a lot of these guys, because you don't listen.

People don't listen to our kind.

You know, we're the.

We're the weird ones off in the corner here.

People don't list us.

And so when.

When people started listening to what I was saying, some good men started questioning, saying there must.

There's got to be something wrong with him, you know, and so.

And I.

I liken that to the story of David going to the battle of.

To the Valley of Elah and seeing nobody fighting against.

Against Goliath.

And he says, is there not a cause?

What are y'all doing here?

You know?

And everybody just accuses his character.

Well, he just wanted to do something for God.

And that's.

That's just it.

And so that was.

That was.

Been my game plan.

But, you know, I've.

I've.

I think spiritually, I've.

I've had a hard time sometimes with this stuff because every time I try to.

Every time I come right to the point, put out a documentary, man, I'm telling you, I get.

I get a bunch of crazy stuff happens in my life.

I got, like, during the work of third Adam four, I got.

I think about five letters from the irs.

And I'm serious, bro.

I pay taxes.

I.

I am.

I am.

Everything I do is on the up and up.

I mean, I am squeaky clean with.

Okay, I've got.

I pay.

I don't know how.

I pay way too much for an accountant and make sure everything's right.

Okay.

And I've got a cpa.

I've got all, I've got lawyers, I've got everything.

So I've got, I got all my bases covered.

But you know, I've got, I've got way too much.

I got five letters from the irs.

And you know, you, your, your tax returns wrong.

It was just really what it ended up being.

It was completely insane.

Errors on their part.

The IRS is part.

The IRS's part, yeah.

No way.

You know, I mean, they sent me a letter saying I owed them $30,000.

And I'm like, from what?

Wow, what?

I didn't even pay you guys that much.

And, and you know, I looked at, I thought this is.

And it was some stock trading thing that I didn't even do.

And turns out, you know, they had got a wrong letter from something and across it was a mess.

And a long story short, after about the fifth letter, I handed it all to my CPA and we got a square way end up they owed me money.

And so I got like thousand bucks from the irs.

Thank you very much for wasting your time.

You know, so.

But just weird stuff like that happens to me.

I get, you know, and I just know it's the devil.

It's just trying to do that stuff to me.

But I.

Anytime a man stands for what's right in this world, there's going to be an opposition to it.

And the whole world's backwards.

We're trying our best just to stay right over here, have the right stand of the right spirit.

That's what we're trying to do and just leave the results up to God.

And God's given us some good results and I'm thankful for that.

I appreciate you sharing those stories because they wouldn't necessarily be obvious from.

Just from watching the YouTube channel.

To know the behind the scenes of yes.

Producing these documentaries and the supporting material around it is an effort unto itself to compile the footage, to review it, to edit, you know, to produce, to edit and release it and then support it.

That is an effort.

Meanwhile, you have actual attacks, spiritual, relational, emotional, financial, governmental, bureaucratic coming after you, trying to throw you off mission, trying to exploit your weaknesses, or trying to attack your character so that the message itself can be taken down.

That's not totally unexpected.

Like it's not like.

Oh my gosh, really.

Like it makes sense, but it's not something that you would necessarily surface, you know, in the documentary itself, like a little bit at the end.

By the way, this is what happened while producing This, I appreciate you sharing that.

Yeah, well, praise the Lord.

Yeah, I've had, I mean, it's not like I've been beat up and been, you know, chewed up and spit out, but I mean I've, I've, you know, we've had some opposition to this stuff.

You know, I had, what was it, Greg Lock got mad at me a couple years ago and threatened to sue me publicly and all this kind of stuff because some things that I had said about his doctrine.

And so it was, it just, we, we've, we've ruffled some feathers and for that I'm thankful.

So it's been, it's been wild though.

And I, I, I enjoy what I do and you know, and don't get me wrong, I don't, I don't have like some sadistic, you know, thrill out of making everybody mad.

It's not how I am.

But I, I, I do love seeing truth going forward and it affecting people and it affects a lot of people the right way.

Sometimes it affects people the wrong way and that's, that's just, I mean, you read the Book of Acts, you can see that happening almost every page.

But I, to me that's, that's validation that God's at work.

And for that I'm glad, I'm just glad I'm on the winning side, brother.

It's fun.

I'm grateful for you too.

And I think you bring the right spirit to it.

You know, someone who is maybe more from the reformed tradition and is more intellectual and heady about everything.

Like it would take on a heaviness to it.

Right.

A theological, a theological heaviness and maybe an academic spirit.

But you bring a light hearted spirit.

Sort of humorous.

Right.

Sort of jovial that is much more inviting to talk about topics that are frankly pretty dark.

Well, I have to be jovial.

It's heavy stuff, man.

Yeah.

And you know, and excuse me, I've, I've, I've been sick.

I apologize.

But I, you know, I, I love living, I love life, I love having fun.

I'm having a good time over here.

I enjoy my family.

We always have a lot of fun together and I think apologetics should be done.

It's a fight.

It's, you know, we're going to contend for the faith, but the same time at the very end we got to keep, I just did that book on wandering stars from the Book of Jude and you know, at the beginning it says earnestly contend for the faith.

And then at the very end of it says, keep yourself in the love of God.

And if some have compassion, making a difference.

So, you know, there's a balance in all that.

You got to be, you got to fight, but you got to stand and stand sweet while you're doing so.

And that's always been my goal.

My granddaddy was a marine and he knew how to be married.

Mean.

Oh my goodness, he knew how to be mean, but he was mean about the right things and he was just mean just for the sake of being mean.

And, and I think that's, that's what men need to hear today.

There's a difference.

You don't, you know, you ain't got to stand up there and just poke with an eye and the finger of everybody that you disagree with all the time.

But at the same time, there are some things worth fighting over and we need to argue over them and stand for them and, and the balance and all that's very hard to find.

But if you can find it, lock onto it, it's worth keeping.

Amen.

Maybe talk a little bit more about being mean for the right things because I think we'd agree that we live in a heavily feminized culture, right, with that, that prioritizes feelings and safety, quote, unquote.

But there is, there is a righteous form of meanness to error, to lies to wolves and false teachers.

Say, say more about, about being the right kind of mean.

Well, I, I saw a video.

I forget what it was.

I think some men were floating down a creek on some Alaska hunt and there was two baby grizzly bears on the, on the banks there.

And I'm talking about, they were like 10ft from these, these baby bears and, and one guy said, get the gun, get the gun right now.

And the guy grabbed a shotgun and held it up and sure enough, some gigantic mama bear just burst through the bushes and started running through the creek and running at those men and, and he fired two shots in the air.

Scared the bears off.

They ran away.

And.

But the video footage of that mama grizzly bear running through that creek like it was nothing.

And I'm talking about 400 pound animal.

Jack could have just jumped and tore that whole, that whole raffle of dudes to pieces.

That was horrifying.

But people have to understand that from that bear's perspective, that was an act of love.

Okay, it looked mean, but it was motivated by love and compassion for her own baby cubs.

And I think today we've warped love into thinking that it's an ultra passive, non confrontational type of deal.

And that's not love.

That's a perversion of love.

It's not biblical love in a sense.

Now when I think of the perfect man, I think of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus was very compassionate to people.

He wept with people, he loved people.

He touched the lepers, he put his hands on them and touched them.

He had children in his lap as he stood there and talked.

But one of the things he said, he took stands and he said something.

Matter of fact, one of the times he was preaching, he had a child in his lap and he said, if any man ever offend one of these little ones, it'd be best if a millstone be cast around his neck.

He'd be cast in the depth of the sea.

Jesus said that with a child in his lap.

That would have been a little bit tense, don't you think?

But grace and truth are two things.

They're Siamese twins, and if you have one without the other, you don't have anything.

I think evangelicalism gets too gracious.

I think they're too lovey dovey.

I think they're too soft on things.

And that's why in evangelicalism there's a plethora of female influencers who I don't think have the gear necessary to militantly stand on theological truth.

I think their feminine nature takes over.

And I think even.

What was her name, Megan Basham, she even said that a while back that women shouldn't be pastors because of that.

And I agree with her.

But then also you got these, you know, the hardcore crazy, staunch fundamentalists that are almost dipping their toe into cult like territory.

They're all truth but no grace.

And they're, they're, they're just like, you know, nasty people.

And I think, I think you don't have to be a fundamentalist to be that.

But I think some people just nasty, they just, you know, you're all going to hell and have fun while you're doing it.

You know, just, we don't care anything for you.

I think there's a balance there.

Grace and truth.

Christ had grace, but he also had truth.

And I want to do that.

I want to stand firm on what's right, but I also want to be kind and inviting and endearing as a person.

Somebody emailed me a while back and gave me a great compliment and I thank God for it.

This guy emailed me and told me a sad story about the type of church he'd grown up in and how it was real pharisaical, legalistic, whatever you want to call it.

And then he emailed me.

He said, I just want to let you know that my whole life I've been antagonized by people like you, but I watch you, and you're different.

He said, you're kind of fun, and he said, you're kind of interesting to.

You know.

He said, I kind of.

I appreciate what you're saying.

He said, I appreciate the way you say it, too.

And I think, to me, that was a high compliment.

I loved that.

I almost printed out and put it on my wall just so my wife could see it.

But I think that's the goal for all of us.

You know, you may not agree with me on.

On everything, and that's fine, but at least you.

You see that I'm acting in good faith and trying to help, and.

And if you could see that, that's enough for me.

I mean, I see that, and I think that's what I think.

The first one.

The first one of the third Adam films that I saw was Third Adam three.

I think a friend of mine.

It was either two or three.

A friend of mine showed it to me, and that was the.

That was really like, oh, wow.

This is a.

This is a different approach.

This is fun.

This is enjoyable.

It's very.

It's very personal.

Just real quick, if.

If you don't mind, what does your wife think about all this?

Oh, she.

She thinks it's.

It's great.

She kind of gets a kick out of how people get so mad at something that I said that was just like, basic Bible theology.

She's like, well, do people not agree with this?

Like, what's.

This is.

Makes sense to me, but, you know, I.

I don't rope my wife into the online controversy world as, you know, just let her be the mother of the kids and, you know, let me be the mean old monster online, you know, it's you, big meanie.

Yeah.

That's what we do.

So.

But she.

She's.

She's glad that she's like me.

She's glad the Lord's using it, and we praise the Lord for that.

Was she sort of watching you discover this stuff?

You'd show her what you were learning, and you're both just, like, sitting around the dinner table, like, what is going on?

Yeah, yeah, just like, you know, we.

I got into the third Adam 3 stuff, and she's like, oh, boy, this is not going to go well.

And she.

She laughed at it, you know, but.

But really, I.

I'll be.

I'll tell you the truth.

Out of all the third Adams I did third.

Adam three was the one I got the least flack for, really.

I really think so.

I got the least flack for that.

And it was because I was.

I.

For me.

And it's just maybe this, because I don't know everything, but for me, I took an angle on women that I don't think anybody else ever taken.

And I wasn't sitting there saying, you know, get in the kitchen, raise babies, and go make a sandwich.

You know, I wasn't doing all that.

I was saying, listen, you're.

You're vitally important to the plan of God immensely, so probably more important all of us.

And because of that, God has put a covering over you, called your husband to protect you, and you need that.

That's God's design.

And, you know, it's kind of like your head in the battle.

Your head's very important to your overall bodily function.

That's why we put a helmet on it, okay?

Because if your head takes a blow, it doesn't matter how good your kidneys are.

If your head got, you know, split in half with an ax on the battlefield, it didn't matter.

Your kid is going to die.

Everything dies when the head dies.

And.

And so that's what we say.

God, you know, God has given us women.

They're very important, but if you get messed up, then everything gets messed up.

And I think it was John Rice, the old Fundamental Baptist preacher, years ago.

He said, as go the women, so go the nation.

And I agree with that.

Women today are brats.

Women today are complete narcissistic.

Kim Kardashian never had any consequences to anything.

They're monsters.

And there I go being mean.

But women today have not.

You know, they've been spoiled, and they've been messed up.

And so they mess their children up, they mess their marriages up, they mess their churches up.

They mess their.

I mean, they mess their societies up.

I mean, and they become very destructive creatures when they're not in the position that God's put them to be in, and God has ordained for them to be.

And when I put it that way, I don't.

I don't know any reasonable woman who can.

Who can say that was wrong.

And I gave examples of that.

And so, you know, but that was really a fun one to make.

I enjoyed that one.

And then I did the third item, 3x, where I added a lot more information to it.

It's over four hours long.

That one's available, too.

So I put a lot of Catholic information in there on that.

But.

And A lot of information about women, goddesses and that type of stuff.

So that was really a fun project.

I'm glad for that.

Just out to make as many friends as possible, eh brother?

I need, I'm stacking friends like trading cards around here, buddy.

See them in the background?

Yes, yes.

It's a lot of fun, brother.

I'm having the time of my life.

Well, so let's, let's, let's go from there.

Let's actually work through what each individual third Adam documentary is about.

So 1, 2, 3, 3x, I guess and then 4 and then we'll kind of build up to where things are at today and focus particularly on third Adam four, where you sort of take a broader perspective.

But let's start with third Adam one.

What, what was, what was that documentary about?

Basically it's the idea, I believe that there's a coming Antichrist of quote, okay, I am a, I'm pre millennial in my view of scriptures and I think that, you know, I think there's an Antichrist coming, a one world leader.

I think all the, all the scriptures there.

But at the same time you don't have to be premillennial to see what I'm saying in third Adam.

Okay.

I believe the world system has programmed people slanted their minds away from God.

And I even, I believe the entertainment is the music.

I believe it's churches.

I believe false churches rather.

I believe it's the occult.

I believe it's, it's so much that is pulling people's minds away from the Lord.

I believe those Marvel movies were designed to make you think that Thanos was Jesus.

And you know, if the second coming of Jesus Christ, there's, the Bible says there'll be a lot of people standing there in the valley of Megiddo want ready to fight him.

And that right there you go read or go watch the Marvel movies with Thanos.

I think the Marvel movies are the book of Revelation told from Satan's perspective that Thanos is evil.

Thanos is Jesus and Thanos is evil.

He's coming to invade this planet.

We've got to stand against, behind a hero who can help us fight off this terrible space invader type creature.

Now that's out there, that's, that's kind of been the theme of a lot of movies for a long time.

And I think that just, just every little thing like that has been slanted to make people think that, that Jesus is the bad guy.

And so, and also in third Adam one we put in there that the modern Charismatic movement is adopted, something called the Seven Mountain Mandate.

And the Seven Mountain Mandate is a form of post millennialism that guys like Sean Fuchs, I believe several other NAR guys believe this.

And they are.

They're very problematic view.

They believe that we're going to usher in the kingdom and we're going to take the kingdom by force, which sounds like something right out of the Knights Templar.

And they're very dangerous people theologically.

But, you know, that's the crowd that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with.

And so I just talk about that and just say, look, the whole point of third Adam one, there is a demonic deception that's pretend to be Christianity.

You can find the difference between the two and get yourself in a church that believes the right side of this, because if not, there is a coming destruction upon people and you don't want to be a part of that.

That was basically the message.

And I put it out there.

I thought that'd be it.

I didn't think anybody ever listened to it.

I thought maybe this get 10,000 views.

Praise the Lord.

We're almost 900,000 views on that video now.

Wow.

And so for that I say, man, but man, I just, I didn't think it'd ever go that far.

But it did and really sparked a whole movement is what it did.

So that was good.

And then.

Third Adam two, you want to just jump through each of them then?

Yeah, actually, I want.

Yeah, we'll jump through each one and then I'll go back and ask you a couple questions.

Yeah, and the third item too.

I'll just sum it up real quick.

Third Adam two, I talked about, what is that?

What is paganism?

Okay, let's just go through that.

Okay.

Paganism is the religion of Nimrod.

And.

And it was the idea of the Tower of Babel.

And I believe the Tower of Babel is not a tower like we think in a Western sense.

I believe the Tower of Babel was a pyramid.

Ziggurat.

Right?

Yeah.

Ziggur is something like that.

It's something along those lines.

And.

And then I believe when God confounded the languages, all these people went across the world and started making pyramids and ziggurats all across the world.

And that's why we have so many pyramids today.

I believe that's what happened.

And I believe the great work of Satan in the last days is unity.

And one of the things that Satan is going to use, since he can't use doctrine to unify people, he's going to use experience to Unify people.

And there you go.

We have charismatics and Hindus and Buddhists all having the same exact experience.

And so they're going to unite together as one world religion.

And by the way, one of the great groups of people today, one of the most prominent groups of people today that's having tongue talking and rolling in the floor and stuff like that are Catholics.

People don't realize that, but it's actually the Catholic Church that is doing a lot of this stuff right now.

Oh boy.

So all these tongue talkers are going to get together and, and you've seen Hindu people talk in tongues or have some sort of thing similar to that.

You've seen that.

And it's all the same thing.

It's demonic.

And so they're going to come together under experience and under music and, and they're going to unite and create a one world religion.

That's third Adam two.

Third Adam three is God is using women to drive a lot of this stuff in the local church.

Women who don't know their place in God's order and God's plan.

And you know, and it's the idea of a feminine form of Christianity and the idea of a female Holy spirit, that's what Third Adam 3 is all about.

And the feminine spirit, which is called the Shekinah, the feminine quote unquote, Holy Spirit feminizes men and it emasculizes women.

And so it reverses the order of the genders in the churches.

And so if a man's, if a man's filled with the true Holy Spirit of God, he's going to be masculine.

But if a man is filled with this false holy Spirit, the Shekinah spirit, then he's going to be effeminate as all day.

And that's 90% of your, your contemporary worship singers.

They're, they're, I mean, I mean, they're one eyebrow job away from being a full transgender.

I mean, there totally are.

And it's bad, brother.

It's.

I follow his eyes.

No, it's great.

Please turn that up.

I love it.

I mean, that's, that's what these guys are.

I mean, I wonder if they.

I don't know.

I have so many questions about these things.

And so that's third item three.

Third and three X is more extended version of that with more goddess worship and emphasizing that.

And then third and four, I explained the spirit energy, the spirit power behind all this stuff, what it is, what it manifests itself in other religions and things like that, and how that these people are not operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, they're operating under the Spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

Ephesians, chapter number two.

There's two spirits, there's two kingdoms, there's two gospels, there's two spirits.

And that was the outline of Third Adam four.

And we wrapped that project up and.

Right about four hours.

So that was good.

Just a short little, Just a short, little overview.

Yeah, just a, just a minor, minor exploration of these topics.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

And the total of the length of all the documentaries so far must be what, 12, 15 hours?

Something like that.

It's, that's over 12.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

So, so let's go back to third Adam one.

You mentioned the NAR.

That's the new apostolic reformation.

And you have the 12 mountain mandate.

You mentioned post millennialism.

Now this is a, this is very interesting because I'm sort of in a different sort of Doug Wilsonian form of post millennialism, which is, which is a different form of like, we're going to take power by force.

So maybe you can talk a little bit about the NAR and the, and the, sorry, seven mountain mandate.

Not the 12 mountain mandate.

Yeah, the seven mountain mandate.

They believe that we're going to try to push back and try to Christianize seven different main areas of society, one of them being art, government, schooling.

And I forget all of them off the top of my head.

But the problem is.

Okay, that sounds really good.

Sounds really good.

But you have to realize who these people are that are actually saying this.

We're going to Christianize this.

Okay.

These people are horrible.

Doctrinally.

They're, they're scary.

They're, they're, they, they believe in the religion of the Knights Templars, what they do.

And, and basically if they got their way, they would be a tyrannical government is what they would be.

They would, they would.

I mean, if you didn't talk in tongues, if you didn't do the things they do, it would be very problematic for you as a Christian.

So that, that is what they're into.

And of course that, that feeds into my pre millennial views of, of, you know, it's gonna, there's gonna be great falling away.

And I believe that there is going to be a one world religion going forward.

And the Book of Revelation, I have a futuristic view of the Book of Revelation and I think there's going to be a one world religion going forward and they're going to try their very best for that.

So it's not necessarily like More of a Protestant, I think.

Jonathan Edwards was post millennial, and because in his day, everything was getting better and better and better.

Everything's getting great.

A lot of people get saved, all that kind of stuff.

I think, I really think World War I and World War II really hurt the post millennial view, because people thought the world was getting a lot worse after that now.

But if Donald Trump keeps doing things he's doing now, I might become post millennial after it's all over with.

But I'll tell you what, I'm excited, but no, but that, that's when these people say, this is what we're trying to do.

It's very dangerous, it's very nefarious.

And that's the difference with these guys.

So it's, it's not a biblical spirit.

It's, it's a, it's a different kind of spirit.

It's a spirit of dominion.

Like, not a good kind of.

Maybe domination would be a better word than dominion.

There's a, there's a character to it.

Now, is the Seven Mountain Mandate new Apostolic Reformation?

I remember there were times where I had heard a lot more about it, but is it still going strong or has it fallen off a little bit?

I haven't heard much about it lately.

Well, I mean, it's, I think with, with Bethel and all this, a lot of things have kind of gone quiet with them for about a year, and I don't know if they've got smart.

They wised up a little bit.

I think it's still going, but I think that they, I think maybe they've kind of become a little bit more subtle, and I'm kind of waiting where they're going to pop up next.

But there are very prominent guys out there, like Sean Foych, who believes this.

You got Paula White Kane, who just became the White House faith office leader of all that.

She believes in all that.

So it's still there.

And I think in time, as Donald Trump kind of becomes, you know, as the whole office of the, the golden era, if you will, of Donald Trump pans out, we're going to see how this plays out.

But, yeah, they still believe that, and they're still trying to make that happen.

And I don't know what their angle is now, but we'll see.

That's so interesting.

I've had a number of conversation lately from individuals that are not connected to each other.

So these are people that have reached out to me, friends, influential people, and I've just having.

And they don't know Each other.

And we've all been talking about.

It seems that one of the things that's behind the Trump administration is this push for this AI transhumanism.

So Peter Thiel, Elon Musk.

Right.

And that is, that is explicitly their goal, an AI driven transhumanist future.

They're open about it.

And so it's interesting that there's that the Seven Mountain Mandate, these people are kind of in that mix.

And so, gosh, I don't really know what, I don't know what to make of that off the top of my head.

I don't either.

All right, so I'm, I'm sorry, that's boring podcasting, but I don't either.

No, no, I mean, it's.

I think it's important.

Like, these were subjects, like, of course, I think we all have questions about Elon Musk's theology, let's say, and some of the things.

Yes, of course, X is, you know, X is X for sure.

And, you know, the SpaceX stuff he does is exciting.

And I like some of the Doge stuff that's going on.

And I think all of those things are very easy to cheer for on the surface, but the ideology behind it is less exciting, perhaps.

Please, go ahead.

I think it all boils down all transhumanism, all this stuff boils down to man wants to live forever and man wants to escape the curse that he's under, and man wants to be his own God.

I think that really.

I watched a video from Elon Musk a while back about going to Mars, and he said the wording he used, we need to expand consciousness beyond this planet.

And that right there tells like, whoa, buddy, you know, there we go.

And so he's trying to create.

He's trying to keep life alive outside the umbrella of the curse of God.

It seems like what they're trying to do, and maybe that's what's written on the conscience of man, is that this, this planet is doomed.

You know, God has judged this thing.

And so maybe that, that's their, their carnal response is to escape that.

And, and some people, I don't know.

I don't know if exactly, brother.

If we can know exactly what Nimrod was trying to do at the Tower of Babel.

I don't know if we can exactly know his motive, exactly know what he was even trying to accomplish.

I think that he was trying to usurp God.

I think he hated God.

I think he was trying to do some sort of ritual that would have given him the power to live forever and, and escape the very judgment of God.

That's my take on that.

And I think that maybe in a, in a different sense, space exploration, expanding consciousness to other planets, and this whole transhumanism type stuff is another variation of that.

Trying to escape the curse, trying to escape this planet, trying to escape the judgment of God and better ourselves.

So we'll live forever.

I think that's what, I think that's what this is inherently.

Now, of course, there are obvious exceptions to that.

I have to use the Scott Adams phrase, of course there's obvious exceptions, but I think in general that's what they're trying to do.

It's a little bit like, I think I remember in the previous iteration of Mark Zuckerberg when he was more the computer dork, before he was the Gen Z bro, there was a lot more talk about uploading our consciousness into the Internet or something like that, and we can live forever that way.

But now it seems like they're trying for a different kind of live forever, which is maybe expanding our consciousness onto other planets or into the cosmos, sort of still trying to escape death.

Maybe it's just the new shinier version of that.

Well, and really there's literally no difference between what you said and what Mormonism is.

All right, let's go.

That's exactly what Mormonism is.

I mean, mormonism is Babylon 5, whatever that TV show was, and we're going to be our own gods.

We're going to be our own Yahweh's of our own planets.

We're going to have our own Adam and Eves.

We're going to be.

I mean, how, how much more dark of a religion do you want?

I mean, that's, that's what Mormonism is.

And I'm sorry, I'm giving away what my research in the next, the next installment of Third Adam is, but even.

More friends to be made.

Yeah, this is, this is where it's going.

And the idea that I can be my own God of my own planet.

I mean, and even video games are doing that right now.

No, Man's sky is a video game.

Very popular right now.

You can go be your own God of your own planet and run your own thing and nobody mess with you.

I mean, this, this is where it all goes.

I think people are trying to escape God, you know, and this is why I think this is what David said in the Psalms, you know, if I, if I ascend to the heavens above, thou art there.

If I ascend the hell below, thou Art, there, there is no escaping the Lord.

And man wants to escape God because the man's a criminal and he wants to escape the sheriff, you know, and he knows there's a day coming where he's going to meet that judgment.

He wants to try to avoid it rather than get it right.

And I, I'm just astounded at the lengths fallen man avoid the judgment of God upon himself rather than just repent and get trust Christ.

And that's where we're, that's where we're heading.

But Mormonism is a sick, nasty religion.

I can't believe anybody would ever want anything to do with that chosen TV series.

That is nothing that is produced by Mormons, paid for by Mormons.

And Dallas Jenkins is out of his ever loving mind trying to tell people on these podcasts that, that the Mormons that work on that show worship the same Jesus that he does.

Well, truth be told, that's actually factually correct because he doesn't worship.

Dallas Jenkins is not a Christian.

Dallas Jenkins is an apostate liberal.

And I don't know how guys like Alan Parr let Dallas Jenkins get on his channel and say stuff like that without any rebuttal whatsoever.

Oh my goodness, what's wrong with you people?

All of you are compromisers and liberals.

I can't believe it.

And so that's a big problem, brother.

And so that's where the being mean comes in.

You got to stand against this Mormonism stuff.

This stuff is from hell.

It's evil.

The man was a free.

Joseph Smith was a freemason.

He was a mystic.

He had a seeing stone that he put inside of a top hat and he put the hat over his face and he would have mystical visions about where you know about theological concepts.

And he put all that in the print.

And I mean, you know, and really, to me, one of the greatest American stories of all time is how Joseph Smith died.

Do you ever read about that?

He was murdered, wasn't he?

Oh, yeah, yeah, big time.

It was, it was really amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so Joseph Smith was running around and, and like trying to marry everybody's 13 year old daughter.

Okay.

Oh, that's where he's like, oh, and by the way, polygamy is okay now.

Yeah, man, no problem.

And by the way, you're, you're, you know, your wife's cute.

Why don't, why don't me and you have, have co husbandry of her?

And, and a lot of just, you know, he kept pulling that stunt on people and a lot of people Got fed up with him, and he split his own little denomination.

And a lot of people went, like, left his town.

He had his own town in Illinois, okay, of like 10,000 people.

And he had a.

He said, okay, we're going to have.

I forget the name of the town, but he said, we're going to have our own town.

Everybody's going to be here.

We'll have, like a commune.

And I'm going to need a bunch of you men to kind of volunteer to be the military of this thing, Kind of like just to be the military protectors of it.

Well, he had 2,500 men.

Out of that, 10,000 people came forward and said, we'll be the military.

And somebody in Washington got whiffed that there's a man over in Illinois that's got a standing army of 2,500 people, which at that point could have been very, very much a rival to the Continental U.S.

american army at that time.

And that didn't sit well with a lot of people there.

I was like, what is happening with this guy?

And then, you know, so he's a warlord.

He's so powerful.

He, you know, and he's literally having every man's wife that he wants.

I mean, just insane.

Well, a lot of people left the town and went to the town over.

This man is crazy.

This man is like.

David Koresh has nothing on Joseph Smith.

Like, nothing on this guy.

Neither does Jim Jones.

These people.

Like, this man was insane.

So he split his denomination.

They went over to a town over.

They bought a printing press and started printing the things that Joseph Smith was doing and distributing this stuff to the local people.

Well, Joseph Smith sent that standing army over there to take over that printing press.

They arrested the men who print that stuff and broke that printing press to pieces.

And the governor of Illinois found out about it and had Joseph Smith and his brother arrested.

And when they did that, Joseph Smith was waiting trial.

Well, the word got out, okay, he's in jail, and he's got an army of 2,500 men.

They're just going to go break him out of jail and bring him back in.

So let's go get him before that happens.

So a couple hundred men showed up to the jail.

They started, you know, trying to break into the jail to get to Joseph Smith.

And they got into the jail cell, they killed Joseph Smith's brother.

Joseph Smith had a pistol that he had been able to smuggle in there.

He shot and killed two guys and then was able to break out the window.

And he jumped out of the window of the second story, landed on the ground.

And when he got there on the ground that those couple hundred men just blew him to pieces, shot him hundreds of times, and he died right there.

And so that's American history for you.

Okay?

That's the end of Joseph Smith.

Do you want to follow that religion?

Do you want to follow this man?

I mean, this is, this is Mormonism.

This is what people are into.

And I don't know how you could say that that's not slightly problematic, but here we are.

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Oh, boy.

Yeah.

Okay, so no would be.

Sorry, I've been sick.

I'm killing Spencer.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, that's, I've, that's wild.

And no, I don't think I'd like to belong to that religion.

And it's funny because I, like just this morning, it's funny.

This came up, I was listening to a sermon by Jeff Durbin of Apologia Church from this past week about some passages in Proverbs, God's sovereign will.

And so Apologia Church has done a long term outreach to Mormons in the Mesa Tempe Chandler area, where the church is.

And, and Pastor Jeff was talking about how Joseph Smith and the, the Mormon community at the time paid a lot of money to buy some Egyptian papyrus called the Book of Abraham.

And he claimed to have translated it because Egyptian was a dead language.

And then years later they found the Rosetta Stone so they could actually interpret, you know, what the, what the thing says.

And he got like none of it, right?

Yeah, completely none.

And some of, and some of those pyri.

Some of those translations are still in this book called the Quad today.

Like they're still using these false.

I was, I found that astounding, especially because I'm seeing a rising tide of Mormonism on X a little bit.

Like, I've got a number of guys that I follow that are professed Mormons and you know, some of them are quite good accounts.

Right.

But I didn't know about any of this, any of this stuff.

And.

Yeah, please, go ahead.

No, the.

Well, Mormonism too.

Another thing you got to understand about them.

And they don't tell you this on the surface, but you get they believe in Heavenly Father, but they also believe in Heavenly Mother.

So there's your divine feminine goddess woman.

They believe in her.

And they are a mystery cult.

That's exactly what they are.

And for Dallas Jenkins to say these people worship the Same Jesus that evangelical Christians do is just not a statement of fact.

It's just not.

So he's either a liar or a fool, or he's both to say that, and I think he's both.

But Mormonism is not your friend.

It's the enemy of Christianity.

It's the enemy of anybody who wants to go to heaven.

Absolutely.

It's the enemy of the gospel.

And I'm blown away at how bad this wicked religion is.

These people get into stuff.

It's sad watching them get into that.

Yeah.

It's also a religion about deification of the self.

Right.

Like, you become your own God.

You mentioned, like, no man's sky.

I mean, I can.

I guess I can understand how that would be appealing.

I just don't know how you call that Christianity.

Well, you know, I mean, that's what people do.

They.

They.

And they do Romans 1.

They create a God in their own image, into their own likeness, however they want to make him.

And if.

If he's the God of Christianity, then he is, because you say so, but you have no biblical reason to say that.

And there's a lot of people out there saying this is, you know, Jesus wouldn't have done that.

And they don't even know what they're talking about.

And, you know, like, kind of like Jelly Roll, that.

That singer out there, I saw him on the Flagrant podcast.

He was attacking the local church today, and he said that if Jesus was around today, he'd be sitting.

He'd be have.

He'd have prostitutes in his lap, and he'd be riding around him with a Harley everywhere he went.

Jelly Roll said that?

Jelly Roll said that a man named.

Jelly Roll would say that?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, guy with face tattoos all over him looks like the.01% of germs that Lysol can't kill.

You know, saying.

Making theological statements about who Jesus Christ is.

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying that.

Thank you very much.

And goodness gracious, man.

But that's what.

That's what they're doing.

Romans 1, he's talking about, you know, they.

They created a God into the likeness of man.

And really what they've done is they've.

They've created a God in the likeness of themselves and ultimately have made themselves God in a sense.

That's.

I mean, I.

I remember there was a post on Instagram about Jelly Roll making Christian sounding noises, and I'm like, I don't.

I don't know that this guy knows what he's talking about.

And I got so many hate comments in response to that.

It's amazing how.

How.

Yeah.

How far to the mat people will go to defend celebrity quote, air quotes, professions of faith.

They'll go hard on that.

Well, I'll tell you why that is.

That's because evangelicalism is too worldly and evangelicalism is not separated enough.

That's one of the reasons why I call myself fundamentalist, is because I don't.

I don't believe there is a such thing as Christian rap and Christian rock.

I don't.

I just don't think there is a such thing.

Right there with you.

Yeah.

And I think John Cooper's not a good man.

I don't think.

I do not think this man needs to be an authority on anything spiritual or theological or biblical.

The man.

The man doesn't know what he's talking about.

He lives a life that has disqualified himself from any of that.

Public discourse need to be had.

But evangelicalism is okay with that.

They think we can merge holy things with worldly things, and therefore we kind of create this gray matter in the middle between the black and the white.

And God's in that too.

And that right there is so completely dangerous because that's how the New Age works.

The New Age is like the Borg from Star Trek.

They merge everything together into what.

That's what theosophy was, is just mishmash.

All the religions together and let's just find the good things in them and just believe that.

And it's hard.

If I were to say evangelicalism, although it maintains on paper a form of orthodox theological views, but in practice actually practices very similarly to the occult.

If I were to say that, I don't know if that'd be exactly right, but it wouldn't be way off because these people just.

It's like the.

And one.

And this manifests itself in many different ways.

But one of the ways, when Kanye west got saved, they went after me as if I was like, I think they would have had more grace with Jason and the Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy Krueger.

I mean, I.

I was public enemy number one saying, hey, I don't think Kanye's saved.

I think he's a.

I think he's into some sort of weird stuff with his mind.

He probably just having a bipolar swing into religiosity.

And it's not time to really get excited about this guy.

Let's just give him some time to see if he figures all this out and.

And look where he is today.

The man's posting all kinds of filth all over the Internet.

You know, the man's in bad, bad shape.

And so, you know, that's, that's the problem today is that we, we, we have too broad of a definition of what Christian is, and we don't have a biblical definition of what Christian is.

And that gets a lot of Christians today in trouble.

Just follow what the Bible says.

The biblical Christianity will not be cool ever.

It will not.

You, you, you will not be popular.

You will not be, you know, they're not going to ask you to perform at the Grammys if you believe the Bible as it's, as is written, okay?

And that's just what I want people to know.

And that's just, that's a, that's just a statement of biblical fact.

That's all that is.

Sorry.

No, I fully agree with you.

I think you mentioned theosophy earlier.

And the one religion that theosophy can't synthesize, syncretize is Biblical Christianity.

It can't swallow it, it can't digest it.

The scriptures cannot be broken.

But that doesn't mean they're not going to try.

And this has always been my point, particularly with Russell Brand, though plenty of others, that the real danger of these celebrity professions of faith is that they don't know what they're talking about, right?

And let's, let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they're sincere.

I don't know that they always deserve it, but let's give them that benefit of the doubt, even if they don't know what they're talking about.

The temptation that they will face is if biblical Christianity is not going to be popular and they're invested in their popularity, they will soften their Christianity to admit new ideas.

And these men and women with these giant platforms will say, I'm a Christian, right, for however many months.

And they say, and I also think abortion is okay.

And the millions of people who follow them will be like, well, this celebrity said it, so abortion must be okay.

Those fundamentalists over there clearly don't know what they're talking about.

And so theosophy, the new age, whatever you want to call it, will find its way through the back door into the church.

And people will get so attached to their celebrity idol, their celebrity icon, that severing themselves from that worldliness will be a cut too deep.

And that's, that's the real risk that I see the church facing.

One of them, anyway.

Yeah, absolutely.

And, and, and brother, what was his name?

Tim Tebow.

A couple years ago did a book, and I bought the book and I read the book.

I hadn't read nothing from Tim Tebow in a long time.

It was the most nonsense bunch of nothing I.

I'd read from any professing Christian in a long time.

The gospel was not present.

The gospel was not there.

And I just read a book saying that this is generic spirituality.

There's a great life.

You can have this amazing life if you'll just work hard and you'll just follow your dreams and if you'll just get up every morning and just get to work, and don't let the naysayers tell you you're wrong, and don't let people tell you that you can't have the life that you want.

Listen, you have got to.

You've got one life, and you got to go live this amazing, powerful life that you want to live.

And if you'll do that at your deathbed, you'll say, that was awesome.

I lived a great life.

I did amazing things.

And I'm reading this book saying, this is not biblical Christianity.

This is generic gobbledygook that makes you feel good, okay?

And if Tim Tebow, I mean, I'm sitting there saying, this guy is like, every Southern Baptist homeschool kid in the world wants to be this guy, okay?

If every Southern Baptist father of a teenage daughter wishes the man would give his right arm if his daughter would marry a Tim Tebow, okay?

They exalt this man to where he's an amazing figure.

He is like the poster boy of evangelicalism.

But what he's saying is not even biblical.

What he's saying is just flat out stupid.

And I'm just like, you know, and it's hard.

Like, I believe you ought to get up and chase your dreams, and I believe you ought to go and ignore the naysayers and go find a goal and go give your life to something, I think that's fine.

But if you detach that from Christian theology is not fine.

That's just humanism.

And I think that's what Tim Tebow has gotten into, and I think that's what he preaches.

But the people in the pews that are reading these books and are saying, this is a good book, they don't know what Christianity is either, because they go to a church that Christianity is not being taught.

It is this vague form of positivity, of fleshly worldliness, of, ooh, rah, rah, go find your dreams.

Go live your best life.

Now, as Joel Osteen so wonderfully put it, and it's New age spirituality.

It's not Christianity at all.

And I think there is a grand conspiracy.

Brother Will Spencer.

There is a grand conspiracy afoot where the hard hitting theological truths of Christianity have slowly been pushed out the back and they've been replaced with these very positive, very sweet, generic spiritual statements that are not based in biblical truths.

And I mean, look, go look at the life of the Apostle Paul and tell me that man was living some sort of prosperity gospel lifestyle.

I just think you're crazy if you find that there.

You got to smoke a lot of dope to be able to find that in your scriptures because it's not there.

And these, these people who are into this stuff, I don't think they're Christians.

I just don't.

I.

They are plugged into a different outlet than I am.

And I'm not saying everybody who disagrees with me is not saved, but I'm just saying these people are so bad on so much.

It really makes me wonder.

And I think that going forward we're going to see a lot of problems with this type of stuff because you can't.

And I put this in my book, it's called Thumper Theology.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Well, if you can't say anything negative about anything ever, you can't preach the Bible.

You just can't.

And I mean, I read the book of 1 Corinthians when I first got saved and I was amazed at how much he scorched those people over sexual sin publicly.

And I mean even even called out specific situations.

And I'm sure when that church read that letter, they knew exactly what he was talking about.

And so I'm amazed at how direct it was and how, how the emphasis was on holiness and the emphasis was not off.

Go, go live your best life.

Go chase your dreams.

Go make it happen.

Ooh, rah rah.

Tim Tebow in some ways has become an agent of Satan in that sense that he's traded biblical Christianity for something positive and sweet and nice that sounds really good and make you, it pretends like it'll give you a fulfilled life, but it's just not.

It's just not biblical Christianity.

And that's the problem with these guys.

They're so close, but they're so far.

Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense.

It's like Jordan Peterson, right?

Like he can speak.

He obviously is familiar with the Western canon and scripture, but what he does is he takes biblical Christianity and Filters it through a Jungian lens and interprets it all as some myth that's trying to guide us to some inner truth.

And it's like, yeah, bro, no.

How can you read, how can you read the Bible and walk away with that?

It's just, it's baffling to me.

Yeah, he is the master allegorizer of the scripture.

And, you know, Abraham and Isaac was, was a, wasn't an actual event.

It was more like a spiritual state of being that you got to sacrifice your Isaac, you know, so that you can please the greater good.

I'm like, what is.

You know, and he's like, you got to get up every day, you got to make your bed and go sacrifice your comfort on the altar of losing weight so that you can have a greater good in your life.

I'm like, oh, my goodness.

This is the most Canadian mystical nonsense I've ever heard.

Pretty good impression with bad theology here is what he is.

I'm blown away.

Jordan, sit down.

Stop talking about the Bible.

And I know that Jeremy boreing over there, the Daily Wire is probably in your ears saying, talk about the Bible.

We are in Nashville here, bro.

We got to talk about, you know, we got to talk about this Jesus stuff.

We're living here in Nashville.

And I mean, but I'm just like, he's so bad.

But, you know, and I'm not saying Jordan Peterson's wrong on everything.

I've listened to him on a couple things, and I thought that was pretty insightful about human behavior and, you know, and underlying causes and psychological type stuff.

And I think that's very interesting.

Fascinating, because I, you know, I was going to be a policeman, so human behavior has always been something I've kind of studied and watched and underlying causes of why people behave the way they do.

That's always been an interest of mine.

I think Jordan Peterson has said some very interesting things in that regard.

But when he gets in the Bible, he becomes an enemy of the gospel very quickly.

And I, I have no confidence.

Anything theological coming out of that man's mouth.

No, sir, not at all.

That's when he did his original series of Genesis lectures, which it was just a small town, small time Canadian professor at one the somewhere in Toronto giving a lecture to a few thousand people.

It just did very well on YouTube, millions of views, et cetera.

I don't know that everyone watched it and understood all of it, because I would be.

I was on a road trip at the time.

And so I'd be listening to those lectures and I would have to back it up and listen to things again.

But it's one thing for a small town, I've said this many times, it's one thing for a small time Canadian professor to talk about the stuff when he was just about to get subject to massive cancellation from around the world.

Right.

So he was not a big deal at the time.

It's very different to bring that same attitude when he's probably the world's number one public intellectual right now.

So he's dusting off his, his, his material from, say, his first album to a much bigger audience.

And I just, I don't think it's holding up as well as it did back then when fewer people were paying attention to it.

Right, right.

And, and, and what you said is very important to understand about Jordan Peterson.

He's filtering everything he knows through a union mindset.

And Carl Jung was agnostic, and people don't know that about this man.

This man was practicing mystery religion as he was.

And, you know, he's talking about the Abraxas and all that type stuff.

And the man by pure definition was a pure Gnostic.

He was an enemy of the gospel.

And him and Freud both were terrible.

You know, if you're going to be theologically sound, you're going to have to avoid those two black holes of error right there.

So I think he's kind of trying to be a voice for Christianity, but he's tainted by Gnosticism.

And that makes him like, I think if the Apostle Paul wrote a letter to the American church right now, I think Jordan Peterson would be told to stay away from by name because he's just not good.

But everybody's like, but I like him.

He's on our side, he's on the Republican side, and he's a member of the Daily Wire and they stand for America and freedom.

And, and that's the, that's the danger of all this stuff.

Yeah, we probably vote the same, but we don't believe the same when it comes to the Bible.

That's right.

And so that, and that's, that's where people get, there's just so shallow today.

They just, you know, like, I can believe in Donald Trump being a good president without making him a good theologian.

You know what I mean?

And as theologian.

Oh, yeah.

As a theologian, he's laughably, insanely.

I mean, 2 Corinthians, you know, I know the Bible I love.

Nobody loves the Bible more than me.

By the way, I've never asked for forgiveness of my sin.

You know, I don't even go to church.

And I go, okay, whatever, I mean, I'll vote for you.

Just, just go, just go fix the economy and leave me alone, man.

And so that's what I want him to do.

But yeah, I mean that's, that's the problem.

People today, we, I think it goes back to evangelicalism being too obsessed with, with celebrities.

And I've even heard Todd Friel say that we, we engage the culture so much, we became the culture.

Wretched radio.

Yeah, I think he even said that.

And for him to say that, I thought was a big deal, but I do think so.

I think evangelicals are too celebrity driven and not truth driven and principle driven.

And that leaves them open to swallowing things that they should, should never accept because a celebrity like Russell Brand said so.

That's right.

And, and that's, that's all good.

And I, I, you know, like you got guys like Michael Knowles, Russell Brand, Jordan Peterson, I mean, I would even say Alex Jones are all saying things about God in the Bible that are completely dangerously heretical, like way off the ranch heretical.

But right wing evangelicals are like, yeah, it's America.

Yep, that's, that's right.

That's right.

I'm like, no, that's not right.

That's not right.

And then they look at me like I'm the killjoy and I'm just the mean old legalistic pharisaical fundamentalist Baptist preacher who drinks too much coffee and says too much on the Internet.

And so that's all.

But that's what people do to me.

They might have a point there though.

That might be half true.

Whatever.

Okay, so, so I want to get back to third item too.

But though here's, I want to ask one quick question and then we'll get back to the series of films.

So when I object to a lot of these new professions of faith, whether it be Russell Brand or Nala being another one, that we don't have to focus on her.

The, I get a lot of pushback saying don't quench the spirit.

You know, they're so close.

Who are you to judge their sanctification?

Only God to judge the heart.

You know, it's the same stuff that I get over and over again.

And you know, look, I don't know where they're at on their road of sanctification.

I don't have that vision.

But I know that they're saying things that desperately need to be Corrected.

And that they don't appear to be seeking correction in their own lives.

I've said many times about Russell Brand, I don't know if his profession of faith is sincere, but I do know that the man has a ton of money and influence and he can pick up the phone and call literally anybody or take a year off and just read to understand the Christian faith.

And he's not doing that.

And so I think that that's a fair critique.

What's your response to the people that immediately rush to the defense of these celebrities?

Here's what I want to tell.

And it's a hard hitting truth that everybody's here, okay?

Celebrities are very stupid people.

I don't disagree.

Celebrities are morons, okay?

They're stupid.

They are dumb humans, room IQ temperature, mouth breathing Neanderthals who, Who might be extremely good looking.

Okay, okay, don't let me interrupt.

And for us to get excited about them contributing to the intellectual discourse of our age is folly, okay?

And I'm sorry, I can't.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Okay?

It's like we're doing a skit and we just can't keep it.

This is like an SNL skit gone wrong.

I mean, they.

Are they just dumb people, Okay?

I mean, who really wants to get their, their worldview from Taylor Swift?

I mean, for real.

I mean, I mean, I don't look to anything on the View and say, man, that's a powerhouse of intellectual value right there, you know?

And these are dumb.

These are dumb people.

These are fallen, depraved, low character people who have nothing to offer.

I mean, like, you look at Drake and his stupidity.

I mean, the man makes a living going like this online and, you know, just, he just, he acts like he's like a completely.

I don't know, I just like, I, I don't.

These people are not worth anything.

Okay?

So why are we.

Why are we glad to hear them?

They bring nothing to the table other than it may be a cute face and maybe they've been on a few TV screens that we've noticed in our life, but being famous doesn't mean that you're smart and it doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about, okay?

Tom Cruise is a member of the Church of Scientology and so is John Travolta.

And you know, these people are morons and they're, you know, they profess to be wise, but they.

While they profess to be wise, they themselves became fools.

And I think, I think, you know, you can put whatever medal all over them and award all over them and just, you know, put them on whatever red carpet you want to.

But if they're an idiot before God, they're just a fool.

And so keep that in mind.

I like the idea that when the apostle Paul got saved, he went to the desert of Arabia for three years and sat with the Lord and learned.

Okay.

And then when he came back, the early church didn't want nothing to do with him because he was a man who captured and killed Christians.

And it wasn't until, I believe it was Andrew sat with him and talked to him.

I believe his disciple Andrew, and verified and vetted him, said, I think he's okay.

Why don't we just give him a shot?

Let's talk to him.

Then he kind of.

Excuse me.

Then he kind of went to the church and got involved with them.

And then he started serving in the local church at Antioch.

And then after a few years of service in his local church, we're talking, I don't know how many years, like, six years after his conversion.

Then the Holy Spirit says, separate me, Paul and Barnabas, for the work unto.

I've called them Acts, chapter 13, verse number one and two there.

And Russell Brand's not doing that.

Kanye west did not do that.

Nala's not doing that.

These people need to sit down and be quiet and learn something and then sit under spiritual authority and then be vetted.

And then from there, maybe you can bring something to the conversation.

But just because you got million dollars in the bank and got a few Golden Globes and you got an Oscar, you got something like that does not make you an authority on anything.

No more than.

Okay, let's just say.

Okay, let's just say hypothetically.

Hypothetically, you got.

Let's say, Dwayne Johnson, the Rock.

Okay, let's say hypothetically, he wants to go join a Taekwondo gym.

All right?

He's big, he's strong, he's been a movie star.

But you put that man in a Taekwondo tournament with black belts, he's going to get killed because he doesn't know anything.

The man needs to go sit and be a white belt, and he needs to learn something.

He needs to learn his basic Haya Haya type stuff and his kicks, and he needs to learn how to block, and he's learning the whole system of everything.

And then maybe once he learns something, we can put him in and let him compete a little bit.

I would say the same with jiu Jitsu.

I've done jiu Jitsu.

I did it for years and I'm kind of out of it now, but I know enough to know that if you put me into an interment with black belts, I'm going to get killed.

And it doesn't matter how many YouTube subscribers I have or how famous I am, how much money I am or whatever I have.

You get on that mat, you're going to get hurt if you don't know anything.

And these people are actually out there competing for Christ in the public arena and they don't even have a white belt.

They're not even taking the first theology class.

They don't even know what they're talking about.

And, and they're making a mess of everything.

And, and it's not good.

I think they need to be sat down.

They need to be quiet for a long time and learn just like anybody else had to.

I agree.

I'm really looking forward to our next podcast when I find out what you really think.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I just.

I apologize.

Just forgive me.

I'm not, I'm not well.

And I've laid in bed for six, seven days with the flu.

A.

And I'm.

I've had all this pin up rage and anger.

Last night's live was a disaster, by the way.

I lost like 30 subscribers on my channel and, and it was just.

I'm trying over here.

Brother Will.

Pray for me.

I will.

What did you do last night on the live.

I was on the live stream for a little bit.

What did you do?

Did I miss that?

Oh, I just talked about things and, and just people didn't like what I had to say and.

Brother, I'm telling you, every time I do a live stream, I lose subscribers.

Every time.

Time it's supposed to go the other way.

I know it's the opposite.

Like, what did I do?

You didn't need them anyway.

I know, they just dead weight, I guess.

We'll send some of mine over to you.

Okay, so.

So let's go back.

Let's go back to the film.

So we talked about, about Third Adam One and that led us on.

I'm sorry, this has been, this has been the most radical ADD live stream I've ever done, Brother.

I'm sorry.

Oh, you're right.

But it's wonderful.

No, this is, this is, this is a lot of fun.

This is.

I'm loving this.

So, so, so we, so we talked about.

Let's talk about Third Adam two.

I think you said Third Adam two was the one that was about paganism and kind of how paganism functions a little bit.

So the third item one was a little bit about this new Apostolic Reformation, seven Mountain mandates, you know, some of, some of, some of the.

The heretical ideas within the Church that are masquerading about Christianity.

And so from there, what was, what was Third Adam two about?

Like sort of jumping off of.

From the first one.

Okay, Third Adam two, I wanted to strike in the heart of, of paganism.

Now what I did is I took the ideas.

There's a man named Alexander Hislop, and a lot of people don't agree with what Hislop has said about paganism and stuff like that.

And Hislop basically tried to.

To prove the idea that the Catholic Church is a merger of Christianity and ancient paganism is what he tried to do.

And a lot of people criticize his work.

A matter of.

Even Wesley Huff criticizes his work very viciously.

And the problem with criticizing Hislop is that Hislop tries to articulate mystery religion.

But mystery religion is a moving target.

It's all over the place.

So it may, in this century it might have been this, but in this century it's probably this and this century is this.

So it's kind of a moving target.

Target.

But I think he got the basics down.

But one thing that I looked at in his work and tried to look at today was the idea of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz, the pagan trinity.

And I think that largely he's correct on that concept.

I think that Nimrod had a consortus named Semiramis.

I think that's historically accurate.

And I think that.

That Nimrod died and that in order to keep the worship of Nimrod going, she had a baby and that was named Semiramis.

And that Semiramis was considered the reincarnation of Nimrod.

And so basically their religion was created where we worshiped a mother and the sun deity figure who was the reincarnation of Nimrod.

And we could call him Semiramis.

And basically that became a pagan version religion of Christianity, if you.

If we just put it that way, like a pagan goddess worship the mother and son.

There was a religion where they worship the divine mother and The Holy Son.

And that somehow weaved throughout history and kind of, I think that was BAAL worship.

BAAL was the Sun.

People don't realize, but I think BAAL in the Old Testament was Simaramus.

Excuse me, BAAL was, was Tammuz.

And actually I think baal, you know, and Tammuz and Nimrod kind of have this overlapping thing.

Anytime you see a man, a bull man, like a man with bull horns, big, strong ox man, that's a picture of Nimrod.

And so BAAL was Nimrod.

Ashtoreth in the Old Testament was a picture of the goddess woman.

It was Semiramis in a sense.

And so there you go.

But it kind of weaves itself all through history.

And today you have Roman Catholicism, which we worship the Virgin Mother, we call her Mary instead of Semramas.

And then we also have the divine Son that we call him Jesus instead of Tammuz.

Now if you want to critique that idea, you have to remember in the book of Ezekiel, chapter number eight, I believe there were women weeping for Tammuz.

So this Tammuz worship was a thing, and it did exist.

And by the way, that whole ashen cross that Catholics do on Ash Wednesday, that's not the cross of Calvary.

That's a T for Tammuz.

That's exactly what that is.

And when the Catholic Church is taking pagan practices out of Ezekiel, chapter eight, and they're putting it in today's context and we're practicing this, calling it Ash Wednesday, somebody's missed the boat somewhere.

And so that's exactly what is going on.

And so how does that manifest itself today?

Well, it manifests itself today in Roman Catholicism.

And Roman Catholicism is probably the largest mystery cult in the world.

And when these contemporary worship musicians are using the experience of this mystical gnosis like experience that they're getting from their casting crown CDs, and they're realizing that Catholics are having the same experience over there using contemporary worship, they can easily come together.

And so what you have is the mystery cult of Roman Catholicism and left wing undiscerning evangelicals merging together and creating a new religion.

And that's the danger of all this, is that they're literally walking into a one world mystery culture.

And, and that's basically what we talked about trying to expose in Third Adam.

Two, making all the kinds of friends in the world.

We got Mormons, we got celebrity worshipers, we got Roman Catholics today.

Yeah.

So I, so I think you, as I recall you drew a lot of information from the, the Book of Enoch.

Right.

Which is just not something that I'm familiar with.

Is that.

I mean, I've, of course, have heard of it.

I've never read it.

Is that considered a historical document?

It's not canonical scripture, but it, it seems to be quite influential in, in many circles who research these topics.

No, the Book of Enoch for anything.

Oh, okay.

Me, I never.

Have never touched it.

I don't believe in it.

I don't.

I think it's a bunch of junk.

I do not believe it's.

It's historically accurate.

I don't think it's even.

I've never used it.

Never.

Okay.

Oh, okay, great.

That's good.

That's good to know because I, I've.

I've seen.

I've seen it referenced in many similar research.

Maybe not in yours, but I've seen it.

Research in similar research.

Okay, so.

So this, this case that you were making within.

Within Roman Catholicism.

Talk a little bit more about that because I think a lot of people would look at the.

I don't think it's.

It's debatable that Roman Catholicism is.

Is itself a syncretic tradition that it absorbs other aspects and it, quote, baptizes them and then.

And then calls them Christians.

So to talk a little bit more about this because as I recall, some of the symbolisms present on the Sistine Chapel ceiling.

Correct.

Yeah.

I mean, the.

In Third Adam three, we showed you how the Sistine Chapel, where, you know, you have God reaching out and touching the finger of Adam up in, Inside that.

That entity that we call God, there is.

There is a woman figure next to that God.

We'll call him God the Father.

There's a woman figure next to him, and then God the Father's finger is reaching out, touching the shoulder of a baby up there.

So you have.

Inside the Sistine Chapel, you have Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz there.

And by the way, Michelangelo, who painted all that, was agnostic.

The man was not a Christian at all.

So the man's literally painting mystery, cult, religion on the ceiling.

And everybody's like, oh, look at this.

This is one of the greatest Christian pieces of art ever done.

And it's just not true.

Just not true at all.

And so it's.

It's very problematic is what we're trying to say there.

So we're going to be.

We're going be talking about that kind of stuff probably a bit more in the future as well.

Yeah.

There's been a lot of discussion lately about Mary being the Queen of Heaven as well.

That seems to go, that seems to go around on X from time to time lately.

More often lately actually.

Well, I mean, if you remember in the book of Jeremiah there was a strong rebuke given to those who worshiped the Queen of Heaven.

And the Queen of Heaven, Semiramis, that was Ashtoreth.

And these people literally are worshiping BAAL and ashoreth and Satan, calling it God the Father the Mother Mary and God the Son Jesus.

All you got to do is just put a different name on it and call it, instead of calling it baal, let's just call him God the Father now.

And ultimately you're still practicing the same religion even though you've put a different, you've put a different label on the name.

But that's what these people are doing.

I think, think.

I think the Roman Catholic clergy are the prophets of BAAL on Mount Carmel.

They are, they are, they are the modern day prophets of BAAL that Elijah opposed on Mount Carmel, crying and cutting themselves.

I mean, you see these guys over in the Philippines, they'll, they'll put blades on a rope and they'll do this, you know, for days and hit themselves in their back and, and you just go, look that up.

That's a Roman Catholic thing.

I think they do it for Lent and they, they'll, their, their backs will be bleeding for days doing this.

And, and it's, it's a self flagellation, it's a form of penance.

It's exactly what the prophets of BAAL did on Mount Carmel.

The same thing.

And, and so these, you know, these dudes walking around with black robes on and dressing like a, like a mother and they've never been married, don't have no kids and call themselves father.

You know, weird people like that, that they are the prophets of baal.

There's no question Biblically, they match up perfectly.

There was a video going around, I think it was last week about it was a big procession somewhere probably in Europe.

These men in black robes with very tall pointy hats carrying a giant beer or float or something.

It was, it was a crazy thing to see with all the incense.

And I remember James White did a video about it and just you look at that and you sort of say these are the dangers of valuing tradition too highly.

I thought they, I thought they were playing, that was on protestia and I thought they were playing a video clip of Elden Ring or something like that.

That's what I thought they were doing.

I didn't realize that was A Roman Catholic procession.

Yeah.

So I'm like, yeah, I beat that.

That boss with my intelligence build on Elgin ring, you know, so.

But then I realized it was Roman Catholic, like.

And so.

I'm sorry, brother.

I'm sorry.

No, I mean, look, it just.

It looks.

It like you look at that and you.

And you say, that is many things, but can you really.

Can you really call that Christian?

Right?

Like, and I don't mean to accuse the people doing it.

Like, I don't.

I'm not saying anything about their salvation.

I just mean that you look at that and you say whatever that is grew out of something that is not the Bible.

Right?

It grew out of something, some completely other thing that has now been syncretized into a.

Into a global, in a sense, version of Christianity, but that departs radically from any message of the Gospel itself.

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

Absolutely does.

And.

And.

But it's the illusion of power.

You know, we hold this office of the Catholic Church, and we've been around a long time, so how could we be wrong?

Well, you are.

And there's something called the Bible that was around before you are, and we follow that rather than you guys.

And we use the Bible as a standard of faith and practice.

And I really think that's.

That's the thing today is that Christianity has got to be Bible based.

Okay?

I don't.

I don't follow any creed.

I don't crawl.

I don't follow no creed.

Creed.

I have a statement of faith on my website that helps you and people who look at me and want to understand where I fall on certain issues.

I have that on there.

But I believe the Bible is the standard.

And I throw all creeds out.

I fall all traditions out.

I throw everything out.

And if it's in the Bible, I practice it.

And we've got to make that the standard again, rather than.

I heard a lot of men in the Baptist world say, John Rice did this.

Well, I don't care what John Rice did.

I want to know what the Bible teaches me to do do.

And if we can just follow the Bible and not allow our eyes and influence and vision of theology to be tainted by institutions like the Catholic Church or other presuppositional things, then I think we could be okay.

But, you know, R.C.

sproul said is no substitute for the Bible said.

And as much respect I have for the man, you just can't.

The men are men.

Let God be true and all men A liar.

That's what the Bible cleared teaches.

So I'm going to go with what the Bible says and just do that.

And I think if everybody will develop that attitude, I think it'll cut out a lot of this nonsense that we're facing today.

I think just let the Bible be the rule, the standard of faith and practice, which has always been a Baptist distinctive.

One of the reasons why I'm a Baptist.

And if we can just follow that, I think we'll be a lot better off.

And you're a Baptist.

Not, not a Baptist.

It's a big difference.

Well, yeah, I'm a big, big B.

Baptist is what I call myself.

And Baptist born Baptist bread.

And when I die, I'll be baptized dead.

Amen.

So can I get an amen?

That's right.

That's right.

Here we go.

Hang on.

There we go.

So the sound effects have entered the chat.

Yes.

Okay, so, so let's go from there into Third Adam and let's, let's do Third Adam three, Adam X.

Because it's just, it is a larger version of the same concept in, in Third Adam three with more information.

Because we talked about Mary and the Queen of Heaven and, and, and Semiramis and Tammuz.

So what, what was third?

Because this was the first thing that I saw was 3rd Adam 3 and 3x.

What was that about?

Because that was why my friend showed it to me, because he heard me talk about my time in the new age and, and what's involved with that sort of feminism, the religion and so let's, let's talk about that film now.

Yeah, third item 3X.

I expanded upon a lot of, a lot of ideas that we had in third item three.

But I want to try to, I wanted to try my best to expand upon the ideas of Goddess worship and things like that.

Let's see here.

I've just pulled up here on my screen and there was a lot of.

We talked about Gnosticism, but we also talked about the idea of, of just ways that it's.

Ways that this manifests itself in American culture.

For example, I believe with all my heart that the Statue of Liberty is a sign of mystery religion.

And I've, I've done the research on it.

I know what I'm talking about.

We, we articulated that in there and you know, we even talked about the Knights Templar.

And that's something I think a lot of people don't really understand today is that the Knights Templar worshiped Satan.

And that's, that's a big deal.

And that's one of the reasons why I, I don't endorse like the Crusades and, and things like that.

Because the Crusades were, Crusades were quite frankly a, a example of bad religion.

It was really, what it was is Dominionism is what it was.

And if these Christian nationalist guys get their way, that's there, that's what they're gonna be doing, you know, baptizing your babies by force.

And that's not, that is not where we need to go.

And so there's actually a section in Third Adam three, probably a two and a half hour mark.

We talk about something called the Atbash Cipher.

And the Atbash Cipher was a cipher that they used to code all their messages amongst the, the Knights Templar and they worship something called the Sophia.

And the Sophia was the, the mother goddess, the, the female holy spirit.

Well, if you run the word Sophia through the Atbash cipher, you find that it translates to the word Baphomet.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's a real thing.

And the Atbash cipher is not a very simple, it's not a very difficult thing to understand.

All you gotta do is just take A and just kind of flip the Alphabet underneath it.

So Z is A and then B is Y.

It's really a simple cipher.

But when they talk about the divine Sophia, you run through the Abash cipher, they're talking about the Baphomet.

That, and it's, it's, it's amazing how it worked like that.

But that's, that's what it did.

But the Knights Templars were, they were mystics, they were, they were in a sense what you would call X men.

Kind of deals like they were using spirit power to learn how to fight and to wage war.

And then also we got into the idea of the, that you might appreciate this in Hinduism, something called the Nagas, which were the all wise serpent men who had not.

Yes.

And, and you probably tell us a lot about that.

But we got into that.

They, they believe that there was a divine wisdom that you could have from a serpent.

And even in, in a lot of Hindu takes, they believe that the book of Genesis, the serpent was the good guy and he rescued Adam and Eve from a prison called the Garden of Eden.

And they straight up Luciferianism, that's exactly what it is.

But, but that's being practiced today in the sense that the prison that you're locked into is fundamentalism, Bible doctrine.

And so we're going to release you from that prison, release you from the spirit of religion and Let you go fly free, little birdie into this new age, beautiful land of happiness that we live in.

And that right there, in so many different words is being articulated from the pulpit of Stephen Furnish Church every week.

And so does Bill Johnson.

He believes that too, but they just worded a little bit different.

So that's why we call this stuff out.

The Knights Templar is a great historical example of this because they claim to be Christian, and everybody kind of let their guard down and said, well, these are good Christian boys who just want to go fight for the kingdom.

What's the problem with that?

But they were actually Luciferian psychos and caused a big problem in the world.

So that's where all that went.

And third Adam three, we really dig into that stuff and I think it's powerful.

I really enjoyed that one.

I wasn't planning on making that one, but when I.

When my audience found out, I left a little bit on the table from Third Adam three, they.

They insisted.

They insisted that I make it.

So I just.

I'm a man of the people, brother.

I did it for him, you know.

So we talked about the divine Sophia, we talked about Athens, we talked about Athena, we talked about Frigga, we talked about the ancient gods of Rome and Greece and things like that, and how all that applies today to the female Holy Spirit that's being used in churches today and being promoted in churches today.

And very interesting little documentary, if I say so myself.

I think so.

Weren't the Knights Templar, Weren't they.

Weren't they stealing mystical documents like the Corpus Hermeticum and stuff like that?

And that's what led to the Medicis acquiring it, which contributed to the Renaissance?

And weren't they the first ones to have.

Have a bank that was issuing loans?

Isn't that where usury came from, was the Templars?

Yeah, the Templars.

Basically.

Okay, you live in England, but you want to go to Jerusalem, you want to move to Jerusalem.

Well, you got 500 pounds of gold.

You can't go through all through Europe and through, you know, the Middle east with all that.

You'll get killed.

So what you do is you give it all to the Templars, you let them have it, and they write you a cod, a check saying, this is how much gold you gave us, a certified check.

You just take that check to the Middle east and they just give you that much gold back.

And so that's how their banking system started.

But they.

They would charge interest on that and they acquired massive amounts of wealth and.

And it all disappeared whenever The King of France, you know, arrested all of them.

I think it kind of went underground and I think modern day Rothschild, Bilderberg, that kind of crowd is in charge of all that type of wealth today.

That's just my opinion.

But yes, the Templars were Catholic mystics that went to the Middle east and kind of cross pollinated a little bit with the Sufi mystics.

And I think that they realized they adopted some of their practices.

And so a lot of these books that you're talking about, I think they did acquire a lot of that stuff and some of that did make its way back up into Europe and I think it further pushed people down the rabbit hole of mystery religion in the Catholic Church.

Absolutely.

Now all the ins and outs of that I'm not totally sure, but definitely they cross pollinated with the Sufi mystics and I think there's.

Oh, I forget the name of the guy.

He's.

I got him here in the documentary.

They put him in a Assassin's Creed video game.

What is his name?

But they were, they were these Muslim assassins.

No, that doesn't ring a bell.

There were these Muslim assassins that used mystery religions and drugs and psychedelics to make themselves more powerful in battle.

And the Knights Templars got to learn a lot of what they did.

And then they learned the assassination game and they learned how to, rather than go in open battle, just kind of sneak around and kill people that way.

Let's see, I'm trying to find it here in my, in my documentary.

Isn't the Assassin's Creed games.

Aren't you killing the Templars?

Aren't you an assassin play that is.

Doesn't your character kill the Templars?

Yeah, yeah, but, but you're, you're.

It's a little bit different angle of it, but yeah, you fight basically everybody.

But one of the, one of the main Muslim leaders that did all that, he was in, he was in that, the Assassin's Creed game.

I'm trying to find it here.

But anyway, the, the whole idea of using drugs to create a superpower, using psychic type stuff to do tactical espionage upon your enemies is what the American CIA got to be doing in time.

And so I think that the American government in some, in some ways is a continuation of the work of the Knights Templars.

And that's a whole different rabbit hole we can go into at some other time.

I'm.

My coffee's wearing off.

But you know, but yeah, there's, there's a lot to this.

This is not, this is not simple stuff here.

But yeah, there's a.

There's a lot to.

I need to find out who that is because that's very interesting stuff and skip my mind.

But yeah, that's what they did.

Not, not good.

So before your coffee fully wears off and you turn into the small version, just regular Mario instead of super Mario.

So.

Because earlier you had the fire flower and you're just throwing fireballs.

So let's make sure to spend some time on third Adam four then.

Because third Adam four, I think from what I recall was probably your most, I would say, complex topic where you cover the broadest range of subjects, sort of synthesizing them into a single picture of what mystery religion is and how it shows up today.

So let's spend some time on there before we land the play plane.

Okay.

Okay.

So I gotta focus my chi here.

All right.

Third Adam Pray for him, everybody.

Pray for us.

Yes.

Okay.

Third Adam four.

I wanted to understand what the I, what this spirit energy was that they were using and what the point of it was and how this spirit energy could be used, used to and used in the physical world.

And so what I discovered was, is that the whole idea of a lot of esoteric nonsense and esoteric practices is to do physical rituals in the physical world that manipulate spiritual energy outside the physical world so that that spirit energy can affect the physical world.

If that makes sense.

I think you'll understand that.

And that's what I'm trying to word it in such a way that audience understands it.

Like, for example, I've got this, this pen sitting here and I do a ritual.

So spirit energy comes in this world and then suddenly this pin levitates or something of that nature.

That is what the occult.

That's what wizardry is.

That's what they're trying to do.

They're doing.

And you see people do this in movies all the time.

You like Gandalf, the Wizard, Harry Potter series, they're doing all this.

They're.

They're trying to use spirit energy to manipulate physical objects and the physical world.

World.

Matter of fact, I think that's one of the implications of the phrase as above, so below, as within, so without.

That's what that is talking about in reference to that.

To.

In one angle, that's what it references.

But what we've.

What I discovered was, is that this translates into different contexts throughout different times in history as different things.

Like one of the things that it context, it manifests itself as is the idea of manifestation.

Like, I can speak things into existence.

I can speak prosperity.

I can speak Health.

I can speak wealth.

And that's what New age people do.

Matter of fact, there's a documentary series called the Secret that believes in this.

It's a book.

It's called the Secret.

And all you got to do is speak things into existence.

If you want to be rich, just get up every day and look in the mirror and say, I am rich.

I am strong.

I've got a million dollars in the bank.

And that's what I.

And if you say these things, then the spirit energy of the universe starts to, to work in your behalf so that that becomes an actual physical reality in your life.

And you translate that into the charismatic world.

It is the idea of decree and declare.

I decree, I speak.

Matter of fact, there's charity.

Gayle actually has that song called I Speak Jesus.

And it's the same concept.

It is the idea of, I'm going to speak Jesus over this person who has a drug addiction.

I'm gonna speak Jesus over to you and just.

And just ooey gooey, just like a wizard.

Just get that spirit Jesus energy on you and just, just roll you all in it and just.

And that way, eventually you'll become a more holy person or you'll be healthier and wealthier and you'll be set free from addictions.

And, you know, I'm gonna speak Jesus over my finances.

Speak Jesus over my family.

Speak Jesus over my bad back.

Speak Jesus over my broke down car.

You're practicing the occult, but you're using the word Jesus as a cover for it.

And that's what makes it so dangerous and deceptive.

And that's what we're trying to talk about in Third Adam four.

Now we talk about different areas of it.

I went into the martial arts world.

I actually literally put videos in there, and I was shocked that they were on the Internet.

There are men out there who know how to focus chi and martial arts and they know how to just.

They know how to just put all this spirit energy on one point, and they can touch a pile of newspapers and that pile of newspapers will burn and catch on fire.

And that's.

To me, that's something right out of, of out of X Men.

That's.

That's what Dragon Ball Z does.

And we put a lot of Dragon Ball Z references in there.

I mean, that's.

I remember as a kid watching the X Men, the animated series on Fox, Saturday morning cartoons, and watching Jubilee do this with her hands, and spirit energy came out of her hands and blew up, you know, arcade machines blew up, the sentinels And I'm thinking that's.

That's exactly what the occult is.

I was watching the occult a child and didn't even know it.

And that's what esoteric stuff is.

And when you see these charismatic healers, they're touching people and they're falling on the ground, I think that's real.

I don't think that's fake.

I don't think they're just acting that out.

I think it's real.

And I think that the spirit energy that's going through men like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn is obviously not the Holy Spirit.

It is the same esoteric spirit that the mystery faith healers of the Far east had, that the Hindu yogis had had.

And I think it's.

I think it's the same mystery religion just with a Western packaging over top of it.

And we go through and we talk about the process of mystery religion.

I go through and talk about the doctrinal fruit of people practicing mystery religion.

I talked about the six symbols of the Gnosticism, we talked about gnosis, we talked about.

Let's see here.

We talked about gnosis, we talked about frequency, we talked about vibration, we talked about the three realms, we talked about those.

Those are basically it there.