Will Spencer 00:00:22

Hello, my name is Will Spencer, and welcome to the Will Spencer Podcast.

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This is a weekly show featuring in depth conversations with authors, leaders and influencers who help us understand our changing world.

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New episodes release every Friday.

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My guest this week is Adam Coleman, founder of Wrong Speak publishing, contributor to the New York Post, Newsweek, and Daily Mail, and the author of From Black Victim to Black Identifying the ideologies, behavioral patterns, and cultural norms that encourage a victimhood complex.

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Having a social media platform carries real responsibility.

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Sure, there's always the temptation to post hot takes, crying videos, or pure clickbait.

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And if you think engagement is a drug, influence is something else entirely.

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But behind every social media post, or human beings, lots of them, yes, there are bots, federal agents, and trolls who want you gone.

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But mixed in are actual people made in God's image, who we can edify, inspire, and even lead to Christ.

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This January, I wrote a tweet about India that got 23 million views.

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For context, a typical tweet, like about the laundry gets around 1500 views.

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A good one might hit 5 or 6000.

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Something viral might reach tens or even hundreds of thousands.

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But 23 million?

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That's the entire population of Florida, which means my tweet went truly global.

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That tweet, by God's grace, doubled my Twitter followers overnight to 28,000.

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Combined with Instagram and YouTube, it's given me a mega microphone and a significant status.

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I've been soul searching about this power to reach millions with something I wrote at a burger shop.

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Now I've concluded that a platform is God's gift.

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No one can force a viral tweet.

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It's God's sovereignty.

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Working through the algorithm, he chooses what spreads and who sees it, including you.

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Right now.

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Maybe that's too granular, but I see no other way to view it, especially when believing that work is worship, which I do.

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In other words, I see your attention as a gift that I'm called to steward.

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You could be doing literally anything else right now, so thank you very much for being here.

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The question then becomes, what am I going to do with that attention?

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In a way that glorifies God, the temptation of social media is to glorify ourselves, our opinions, our wit, our bodies, our wealth, and more.

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But a post Millennial mindset calls us to build Christ's kingdom online as much as anywhere, starting with how and why we speak through these digital microphones.

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It's a bit like the question, if I pull the sword from the stone, will I become a tyrant?

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Social media instead asks, with this platform, will I speak the truth in love.

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Which brings me back to my guest, Adam Coleman.

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Despite Wrong Speak's name, he's not trying to be provocative.

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He's thoughtful, wanting to humanize social media and extend more grace.

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He encourages men taking responsibility for what we post.

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Now, some might say this approach will fail when it's easier to attack those we disagree with, but Adam's massive Twitter following suggests otherwise.

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Through Wrong Speak publishing, Adam is meeting a crucial need.

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He demonstrates that speaking the truth in love can still have an impact when it's seasoned with salt, so to speak.

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It's like a combination of the earthly and the divine, which I think is a model that will edify, inspire, and perhaps even sanctify us.

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One quick note before we begin.

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There were some recording errors that my platform couldn't repair.

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While they're mostly minor, some listeners might notice them.

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I considered re recording, but there are some powerful moments here that really show who Adam is.

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Moments I didn't think we could recapture.

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Lightning in a bottle, you might say.

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So I chose to keep this conversation intact, trusting that the truth will shine through.

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Let me know if you think this was the right call at infoon of men.com and please welcome this week's guest on the podcast, the founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor Adam Coleman.

Will Spencer 00:05:10

Adam, thanks so much for joining me on the podcast today.

Adam Coleman 00:05:12

My pleasure.

Adam Coleman 00:05:13

Thanks for inviting me on.

Will Spencer 00:05:15

We followed each other on Twitter for a while and I think last week we connected over some political stuff and I just reached out on a lark to see if you wanted to come on and have a chat and this week turned out to be the good one.

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So I'm really looking forward to this conversation.

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I've gone through a lot of your writing and your tweets and I think we have a lot of great stuff to talk about.

Adam Coleman 00:05:34

Yeah, I'm looking forward to.

Adam Coleman 00:05:36

Actually, I'm glad that you did reach out.

Will Spencer 00:05:39

So I think the first question that I wanted to start with is I actually have a lot of questions about your book because we're in this hypercharged political environment where we have, on one side, we have victim ideologies in all of its various forms.

Will Spencer 00:05:54

On one side of the political equation, it feels like, and on the other side of the political equation, we have personal empowerment, self development, self determination.

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And it seems like these attitudes have super crystallized on both the left and the right.

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And into that you have this book that's speaking right into an experience of the black community that I think a lot of people need to hear.

Will Spencer 00:06:14

So I wonder if we can just start by talking about what inspired the book and kind of what's in it and also the success you've had with it.

Adam Coleman 00:06:21

Yeah.

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So what inspired it, I guess, is the events of George Floyd.

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Not necessarily his death, but the reaction to his death and the narratives that kind of spring from it.

Adam Coleman 00:06:35

And it was one of the first times where I felt like I wasn't allowed to express myself.

Adam Coleman 00:06:41

Rather than me choosing not to express myself, the book became a.

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What's the best word I'm looking for?

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I guess it became a byproduct of finally finding my voice.

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I initially went on to different free speech forums to first find out if I'm crazy.

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Like, am I the only one who sees, like, this is bullshit?

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Am I the only one that's trying to make sense of this?

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And I was able to articulate it well.

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And I got encouragement from people to write more often because of it.

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And I remember having an idea of writing book as like a legacy thing for my son, but I didn't know what to write about.

Adam Coleman 00:07:25

And so I was like, I think this is it.

Adam Coleman 00:07:27

You know, a matter of fact, one of the people who's encouraging me was a pastor.

Adam Coleman 00:07:32

I believe he was out in Illinois.

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He was very supportive of my writings and he encouraged me too.

Adam Coleman 00:07:41

And though people understand at the time, I wouldn't necessarily have.

Adam Coleman 00:07:46

I was just coming out of being agnostic and willing to acknowledge that God exists.

Adam Coleman 00:07:51

But I wasn't.

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I wasn't a Christian at that point.

Adam Coleman 00:07:54

So having, and this is a reoccurring theme since then, having Christians reach out to me in a heartfelt way was extremely beneficial throughout this particular journey.

Adam Coleman 00:08:05

But just as a side note, but that's kind of what started the journey to writing a book.

Adam Coleman 00:08:12

It took me about nine months, start to finish.

Adam Coleman 00:08:16

I self published it.

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I had zero expectations.

Adam Coleman 00:08:20

My background's in id.

Adam Coleman 00:08:22

I was an IT manager for small business.

Adam Coleman 00:08:25

My career was going fine.

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I wasn't trying to switch careers or do anything like that.

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I just wanted to write a book.

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And I would have been happy if, you know, 20 people outside of my friends and family bought it and liked it.

Adam Coleman 00:08:39

And, you know, the 20 people have turned into thousands since and, you know, turned into writing opportunities from major publications.

Adam Coleman 00:08:52

Actually, just before we came on here, I just got the final edit for my latest piece for the Europe Post.

Adam Coleman 00:09:01

You know, and writing for them for the past two years has been, like, an unsuspected blessing.

Adam Coleman 00:09:10

One of the funny things, while I was writing the book, I had a friend that I was talking to on Facebook, and she was like, you should.

Adam Coleman 00:09:16

You should write an article for the New York Post.

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And I was like, it would never have me.

Adam Coleman 00:09:22

You know, it's just like.

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And.

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And what's hilarious about connecting with New York Post, I was even trying to.

Adam Coleman 00:09:29

It was kind of accident.

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I had an article that was rejected somewhere else, and I was like, maybe the New York Post have me.

Adam Coleman 00:09:35

And I just name dropped somebody.

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And that's how it all began.

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So, yeah.

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So to kind of answer your question, that's how I initially started.

Adam Coleman 00:09:46

Expectations were extremely low, and they're still low, which is why I'm always happy, because I expect nothing from this.

Adam Coleman 00:09:55

And I've just been blessed for the past number of years now, since 2020, and all the people that I've come across and opportunities and places that I've gone because of it.

Will Spencer 00:10:09

There's so much in that answer that I want to ask about, including, like, the headspace that you were in during 2020.

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I was in a similar space.

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I wasn't a Christian yet, but the events around George Floyd kind of played into that.

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The process of writing the book, like, what you felt you were crazy about, but then also kind of the process of going from like an IT manager at a small company to a public figure.

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Like, that wasn't something that you were seeking.

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And I imagine maybe I'll ask about that first.

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It wasn't something that maybe came naturally to you, or was it?

Adam Coleman 00:10:38

You know, it's very interesting because while writing the book, obviously, like, the pandemic is going on.

Adam Coleman 00:10:48

I'm watching the news, and everything's crazy.

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Yeah, people are being canceled and all this other stuff.

Adam Coleman 00:10:53

I didn't tell anybody that I was writing my book, except for a handful of people.

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I didn't even tell my mother.

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I didn't tell my sister.

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I didn't tell any of my family.

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My wife knew, a couple of my friends knew.

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And I would send them bits and pieces of chapters.

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I was Writing as I was writing it, see what they thought.

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But after that, I didn't tell anybody.

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I didn't tell my job.

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I didn't tell anyone.

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And throughout that time, I was mentally prepared.

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And I also let my.

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She's my wife now, but she's my girlfriend at the time.

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I let her know that there's possibility I could lose my job because of this.

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You know, there may be people who are going to be really pissed off with me who want to leave me.

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Friends, family, I don't know.

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But I was so comfortable with myself that I was okay with that.

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I felt the need.

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This is what I'm supposed to be doing.

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It's okay if I do this, because if I don't do it, I feel like I'll be letting myself down in many ways letting my son down.

Adam Coleman 00:11:57

So as far as preparing myself to be a public figure, I was comfortable because I had settled with the idea of receiving public scrutiny months prior to even publishing the book, and even personal scrutiny.

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I was prepared for that.

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And I was okay with that by the time the book was published.

Adam Coleman 00:12:19

So when I get people who come after me, usually it's not even for the book.

Adam Coleman 00:12:24

It's some weirdos online.

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But when I get racial hatred, when I get, you know, calling and stuff like that, I am so comfortable with myself and what I say in my decisions.

Adam Coleman 00:12:37

Not that I'm always right, but I'm saying it for particular reason.

Adam Coleman 00:12:40

I could be wrong, but I'm so comfortable with myself that these things don't bother me whatsoever.

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And for people to understand my background, where I.

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Where I've come from and all the things that I've overcome personally, like losing my job wouldn't be the first time I lost my job.

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And I'm still here and I'm okay.

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Losing some friends wouldn't be the first time I lost some friends.

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It's okay.

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I'm still here.

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Your mean words on the Internet for stranger that I don't know, you know, it's like that.

Adam Coleman 00:13:14

These things don't bother me whatsoever.

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So I don't fear the mob.

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I don't fear being canceled or anything like that.

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And even more so that now that I'm a Christian, I am.

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I'm especially fearless because I know Jesus Christ is bomb side.

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And even looking back, I know he's always been there.

Adam Coleman 00:13:36

So, yeah, I wasn't prepared necessarily to be a public figure because I didn't.

Adam Coleman 00:13:42

I didn't think I would find anywhere close to the success that I've been.

Adam Coleman 00:13:47

I've Been blessed to have, but I wasn't afraid of it either.

Will Spencer 00:13:54

Well, praise God.

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I can relate to some of that.

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I came out of the new age and sort of the spiritual communities, and I had a feeling that speaking up on behalf of Christ would be costly.

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But I knew who I was.

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I knew what I had been through.

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I knew what I had to say.

Will Spencer 00:14:08

And when you have that unshakable inner core of self knowledge, like real self knowledge, acknowledges the good and the bad and the past and all these things, it's much easier to speak up on behalf of these things because, as you said, you know, the mean words on the Internet, they don't really land.

Will Spencer 00:14:24

And that's the real virtue of integrity, right?

Adam Coleman 00:14:27

Yeah, exactly.

Adam Coleman 00:14:28

When you're.

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When you're secure with yourself, like all these things, like, I've become very, very aware of people who are insecure because I've been insecure.

Adam Coleman 00:14:42

Yeah.

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And we're insecure.

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The outside world bothers you, right?

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The outside world can sway your emotions easily.

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How you gain value is off of something that you bought, off of what someone says to you.

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You know, it's.

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Everything is external.

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If women validate you, you know, everything is external.

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And so when you're comfortable with yourself and you're confident, which.

Adam Coleman 00:15:10

Which I am, you know, which took me decades to even come to this point, like, those things don't bother me.

Adam Coleman 00:15:18

You know, those things bother me.

Adam Coleman 00:15:19

Like, I am not.

Adam Coleman 00:15:20

I'm not desperate for this.

Adam Coleman 00:15:21

I'm not desperate for that.

Adam Coleman 00:15:23

Even when I was dating my wife, I wasn't desperate that she wouldn't leave.

Adam Coleman 00:15:28

I wasn't.

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I wasn't feeling that particular way.

Adam Coleman 00:15:31

I was confident.

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And I was saying I was doing things like saying I was actually vetting my wife.

Adam Coleman 00:15:40

And we've talked about this, so this is not new to her.

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But I asked her particular questions because I wanted to know.

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Because I want to marry her, but I wanted to know for sure that this is what she wants, because this is what I want.

Adam Coleman 00:15:51

So we need to be on the same page.

Adam Coleman 00:15:54

But I had never done it before because I was always insecure.

Adam Coleman 00:15:56

I was.

Adam Coleman 00:15:57

Well, whatever she wants, I don't want her to leave.

Adam Coleman 00:15:59

Right.

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Everything is in reaction to that.

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So I just say all that to say that I'm completely comfortable with myself.

Adam Coleman 00:16:07

I'm comfortable with what I put out there.

Adam Coleman 00:16:10

And I kind of welcome the people who criticize me because often the criticisms are unfounded criticisms.

Adam Coleman 00:16:19

They're not legitimate.

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They're not pointing out where I actually was wrong.

Adam Coleman 00:16:24

And they make sense.

Adam Coleman 00:16:25

Oh, okay, yeah, I was wrong here.

Adam Coleman 00:16:26

They're usually just attacks, and I call it the attacking the Avatar.

Adam Coleman 00:16:34

Right.

Adam Coleman 00:16:35

They're not attacking you.

Adam Coleman 00:16:36

They're attacking what you represent.

Adam Coleman 00:16:39

And so I don't.

Adam Coleman 00:16:40

I especially then, I don't take a personal.

Adam Coleman 00:16:42

You know, you always know when they're taking the Avatar, when they attack something that you never said, you never claimed.

Adam Coleman 00:16:49

You know, things like that.

Adam Coleman 00:16:50

It's like, oh, okay, I see what's happening here.

Adam Coleman 00:16:53

So, yeah.

Will Spencer 00:16:57

One of the things that I read on one of your Twitter threads was that you actually, you hadn't seen your father since you were 16, or maybe he had passed away when you were 16.

Will Spencer 00:17:07

And so that's a pretty remarkable accomplishment to be able to find that inner self, knowing that confidence, and growing up fatherless and then to have your father pass away.

Will Spencer 00:17:18

This is.

Will Spencer 00:17:18

This is brilliant because I look to talk to men who have been through this journey.

Will Spencer 00:17:23

It's.

Will Spencer 00:17:23

It's one that I think many other men, many, many other men need to go on.

Will Spencer 00:17:27

So maybe can you talk a little bit about how you develop that confidence, going from essentially a fatherless situation to finding yourself in this place?

Will Spencer 00:17:34

Because more men need to figure out how to get themselves to where you are.

Adam Coleman 00:17:40

Like I said, it took decades.

Adam Coleman 00:17:42

I spent the vast majority of my life feeling unsure about myself, questioning myself, insecure, not trusting myself.

Adam Coleman 00:17:51

You know, I've told people, you know, I turned 40 August 1st.

Will Spencer 00:17:56

Happy birthday.

Adam Coleman 00:17:58

Thank you.

Adam Coleman 00:18:01

I told someone I probably didn't become a man until I was about 34.

Adam Coleman 00:18:09

Right.

Adam Coleman 00:18:09

And people are like, what do you mean by that?

Adam Coleman 00:18:11

But like, where I felt.

Adam Coleman 00:18:13

I started feeling.

Adam Coleman 00:18:14

Sure.

Adam Coleman 00:18:15

In myself, like, what I was doing, you know, so as far as that.

Adam Coleman 00:18:22

That particular journey, there were.

Adam Coleman 00:18:24

There were big pivotal points.

Adam Coleman 00:18:27

Two of those points was therapy.

Adam Coleman 00:18:31

I.

Adam Coleman 00:18:33

I was suffering from panic attacks at one point at a job that I was.

Adam Coleman 00:18:37

That I had at a telecommunications company.

Adam Coleman 00:18:40

And I went on leave because, you know, my job was to help me, you know, to alter my role, you know, to kind of alleviate the stress that I was feeling.

Adam Coleman 00:18:52

And then one day I was at home, and I knew I needed to leave to do something like an errand.

Adam Coleman 00:18:59

And I felt scared to leave my house.

Adam Coleman 00:19:02

And it was the first time I ever felt scared.

Adam Coleman 00:19:04

Not lazy, but just, like, scared.

Adam Coleman 00:19:07

And I said, oh, no, that's not good.

Adam Coleman 00:19:12

And so I immediately looked for a therapist.

Adam Coleman 00:19:16

And I went to that therapist for a number of months.

Adam Coleman 00:19:23

But my first sessions, I think for the first month, I went three times a week, if I remember correctly.

Adam Coleman 00:19:31

Wow.

Adam Coleman 00:19:32

Because every time I Went because I thought I was going there because of my job.

Adam Coleman 00:19:37

But every time I went, I was going way back in my past for things that were unresolved.

Adam Coleman 00:19:43

And I was.

Adam Coleman 00:19:44

I think I cried in every session for three weeks straight, like, yeah.

Adam Coleman 00:19:49

And the person that was my therapist at the time, she was very motherly.

Adam Coleman 00:19:56

And I felt comfortable doing that in front of her.

Adam Coleman 00:19:59

But I needed to go through that.

Adam Coleman 00:20:01

I needed to resolve these things, needed to not have extreme anger or resentment or anything towards my father.

Adam Coleman 00:20:12

You know, I had some issues with my mother as well, and I had to learn to kind of deal with some of these things as well.

Adam Coleman 00:20:19

So, you know, therapy was a really big step.

Adam Coleman 00:20:23

Another big thing for me was I had.

Adam Coleman 00:20:29

I mean, there's just so much, so many things, because it took such a long time.

Adam Coleman 00:20:34

But one of the big, pivotal things was actually I had social anxiety.

Adam Coleman 00:20:37

But I didn't realize I had social anxiety.

Adam Coleman 00:20:41

It just felt like it was part of me.

Adam Coleman 00:20:43

Like, it, you know, oh, I'm just like this, you know, so you don't even question it.

Adam Coleman 00:20:49

And it wasn't until after a bad breakup, I had moved back home.

Adam Coleman 00:20:54

And I was like, you know what?

Adam Coleman 00:20:57

Let me try to rediscover myself, because I felt lost in that relationship.

Adam Coleman 00:21:01

You know, it's one of those relationships where you did everything she wanted to do.

Adam Coleman 00:21:04

You were around her family, everything surrounding her life, and then all that's taken away.

Adam Coleman 00:21:10

You don't know who you are.

Adam Coleman 00:21:11

Like, what do I even like doing?

Adam Coleman 00:21:13

So to kind of like, rediscover myself and my interests and things like that.

Adam Coleman 00:21:19

I was curious about learning German, so I started learning German.

Adam Coleman 00:21:22

And then I always wanted to go to Europe, so I planned a trip to go to Europe.

Adam Coleman 00:21:28

And I was like, I'm going.

Adam Coleman 00:21:31

And you know, the kind of the cliff version after.

Adam Coleman 00:21:35

I wasn't supposed to go alone.

Adam Coleman 00:21:36

I was supposed to go with someone.

Adam Coleman 00:21:38

They weren't able to go, but I still had bought my ticket on.

Adam Coleman 00:21:41

I was like, I'm still going, but bouncing around Europe by myself where everything is different.

Adam Coleman 00:21:49

I've never been to anywhere.

Adam Coleman 00:21:51

At these places I know anyone.

Adam Coleman 00:21:53

And accomplishing all that.

Adam Coleman 00:21:55

And when I came back home, I felt at peace because what I didn't realize, it was kind of like throw me in the deep end.

Adam Coleman 00:22:05

And I learned how to swim in that particular way.

Adam Coleman 00:22:08

And I wasn't afraid of water.

Adam Coleman 00:22:11

And so after experiencing that, I was kind of like, I'm not scared, and I want to go through that feeling of discovering new things.

Adam Coleman 00:22:21

And so I just kept traveling I kept traveling, and then I'd go to new places, and then I would meet people and I became friends with people, and then I would go back to the same places.

Adam Coleman 00:22:32

So, like, I've been to Berlin six, seven times, made friends with some people there, to Barcelona three or four times.

Adam Coleman 00:22:41

I can't remember now.

Adam Coleman 00:22:42

That's how many times I've been.

Adam Coleman 00:22:43

I just lose track, you know, I've been to a bunch of different places on repeat because I met people.

Adam Coleman 00:22:49

And then I've had a couple of fortunate situations where some of those people actually came to the United States and I hosted them at my home, you know, so, like, I've made really good connections with people, and that's when I really started understanding one not to be scared of the world, and teaching my son not to be scared of the world and learning that there's more to this than just myself, because it's about the.

Adam Coleman 00:23:17

It's about the connections.

Adam Coleman 00:23:18

It's about the human connections.

Adam Coleman 00:23:20

You know, I had a travel blog for a short period of time, and the subtitle was It's About Human Connection.

Adam Coleman 00:23:27

And I really started to understand that.

Adam Coleman 00:23:30

And for me, traveling wasn't a superficial thing where I come back to people, all the places that I went and take Instagram photos, but I went back to places because I really like these people.

Adam Coleman 00:23:40

I wanted to learn more about the people.

Adam Coleman 00:23:43

I had deep conversations with individuals that I met one time and never saw again.

Adam Coleman 00:23:48

You know, it's so many profound experiences, so many stories just from traveling by myself that, you know, I.

Adam Coleman 00:23:58

I'm so grateful that I was able to experience.

Adam Coleman 00:24:00

And now I get to share that with my wife, who never traveled before me, and the way.

Adam Coleman 00:24:06

Especially in the way that I travel, and she's got me, my friends, and then obviously doing stuff like this.

Adam Coleman 00:24:12

I've met an Italian friend that I met from Twitter after doing all this, and we went to Milan and they showed us around.

Adam Coleman 00:24:19

And then my wife had to go to Milan for work, and they met up, and I'm not even there.

Adam Coleman 00:24:25

And so we have these Italian friends who are like, yes, please come show you around.

Adam Coleman 00:24:28

You know, it's.

Adam Coleman 00:24:29

It's the beauty of humanity.

Adam Coleman 00:24:32

And I feel like sometimes we don't cherish that, but there's so many good people who are out there.

Adam Coleman 00:24:39

There's so many deep connections that we can develop, and it's enriching to the soul.

Will Spencer 00:24:47

Amen.

Will Spencer 00:24:47

Well, this, I think my listeners will probably understand that in some ways, it feels like a little bit like looking into a mirror, slightly Because a lot of this is my story as well.

Will Spencer 00:24:57

Spent a couple of years in therapy, crying every week, grieving essentially, over which I think is a very natural thing to do for both men and women to grieve.

Will Spencer 00:25:06

But we have so few places to do it.

Will Spencer 00:25:08

There's a great book by Robert Bly called Iron John, which sort of started the men's movement way back in the 80s, and he talks about grief as a doorway to men's deep feeling.

Will Spencer 00:25:18

And men need space to grieve over our losses.

Will Spencer 00:25:21

We take losses or we grow up in an environment where we lose and we have to.

Will Spencer 00:25:25

We get a chance to grieve that.

Will Spencer 00:25:26

But there are no spaces for men to do that.

Will Spencer 00:25:28

So the conversation around men's vulnerability involves showing more emotion, et cetera.

Will Spencer 00:25:33

Yes, but really that needs to be expressed in the form of grief, privately private grieving.

Will Spencer 00:25:39

And that opens up so much inner freedom for men to feel.

Will Spencer 00:25:42

And then I can also relate very much to travel because that was my story as well.

Will Spencer 00:25:46

Going and testing myself against the world.

Will Spencer 00:25:49

Less so with the deep connections and more climbing mountains and sailing oceans.

Will Spencer 00:25:53

But I recommend travel to men if they can take the opportunity to go and find out who they are with really no constraints.

Will Spencer 00:26:00

It's a great.

Will Spencer 00:26:01

It can be a great teacher if you approach it the right way respectfully, not for self aggrandizement, which of course I'm sure you know, is a great deal of travelers out there.

Will Spencer 00:26:10

So what an incredible story that.

Will Spencer 00:26:13

That you got to do those things.

Will Spencer 00:26:15

And I guess regarding the human connections in your travel blog, you know, one of the things that I noticed was that, like, there aren't a lot of African Americans traveling.

Will Spencer 00:26:27

Like, I was on the road for a while.

Will Spencer 00:26:29

So what was that like for you, going out there into the world?

Will Spencer 00:26:32

Because one of the things I found is there's such intense curiosity about Americans in so many places.

Will Spencer 00:26:37

Did you find that as well with your experience coming from America?

Adam Coleman 00:26:42

So it's very interesting because I never felt different when I would travel other than they saw me as an American.

Adam Coleman 00:26:54

Like, they didn't.

Adam Coleman 00:26:57

Race was never really a thing that kind of came up or anything like that.

Adam Coleman 00:27:01

As soon as they found that I was American, you know, they lit up.

Adam Coleman 00:27:05

And I think sometimes we take granted, like, a lot of people like Americans just by default because they like American music or movies or whatever.

Adam Coleman 00:27:13

And so I literally had.

Adam Coleman 00:27:15

I went.

Adam Coleman 00:27:16

I went to a spa in Turkey and before lady started massaging, she was like, where are you from?

Adam Coleman 00:27:21

I said, america.

Adam Coleman 00:27:22

She's like, I love America.

Adam Coleman 00:27:23

She was, big hug.

Adam Coleman 00:27:24

I was like, okay.

Adam Coleman 00:27:26

You know, I couldn't imagine in the United States someone saying anywhere outside of the United States and, like, I love that place.

Adam Coleman 00:27:34

Giving them a big hug, you know?

Adam Coleman 00:27:36

But.

Adam Coleman 00:27:40

But as far as how I.

Adam Coleman 00:27:42

How I felt, honestly, it's the most American I've ever felt.

Adam Coleman 00:27:47

Traveling abroad, you really see.

Adam Coleman 00:27:50

Love it.

Adam Coleman 00:27:52

There are so many things that are cultural that is uniquely American, and our sensibility is uniquely American that we don't realize because we never leave that environment.

Adam Coleman 00:28:05

But once you leave that environment, you're like, people move differently here.

Adam Coleman 00:28:09

People dress differently here.

Adam Coleman 00:28:12

You know, how they approach things is different here now.

Adam Coleman 00:28:16

So it's very.

Adam Coleman 00:28:18

It's very interesting.

Adam Coleman 00:28:19

And sometimes, even if you try really hard not to be a fish out of water, you kind of are a fish out of water.

Adam Coleman 00:28:25

Like, you just stick out in certain places especially.

Adam Coleman 00:28:29

But, yeah, I mean, I definitely feel very American.

Adam Coleman 00:28:35

You know, when you go to certain places, they might expect you to be rich because you're American.

Will Spencer 00:28:40

Yep.

Adam Coleman 00:28:41

Other places, they're curious with you.

Adam Coleman 00:28:45

You know, when I was in Germany, it was so hard speaking German people, because they always wanted to speak English to me.

Adam Coleman 00:28:50

They could tell from my accent while speaking German that I'm American, so.

Adam Coleman 00:28:55

Or if they see me struggle, they automatically switch to English and just, you know, don't let me suffer through it.

Adam Coleman 00:29:00

So there's.

Adam Coleman 00:29:01

This is so much that I learned about how people see America.

Adam Coleman 00:29:10

What do they think?

Adam Coleman 00:29:12

You know, I had this one taxi driver.

Adam Coleman 00:29:14

He's.

Adam Coleman 00:29:14

Where are you from?

Adam Coleman 00:29:15

And I said, america.

Adam Coleman 00:29:16

He's like, donald Trump is the worst president.

Adam Coleman 00:29:19

I was like, what the fuck?

Adam Coleman 00:29:21

Like, he just went off, and I was just like, all right.

Adam Coleman 00:29:24

And I started laughing, like, we don't.

Adam Coleman 00:29:29

It's so funny because we're so.

Adam Coleman 00:29:31

We're so insulated here.

Adam Coleman 00:29:32

We know nothing about the outside world, theoretically speaking.

Adam Coleman 00:29:36

Like, for many of us, we don't even know where certain countries are nevertheless, their political system, but everyone is focused on our politics.

Adam Coleman 00:29:43

And everywhere I went, I would try to have political conversations with people.

Adam Coleman 00:29:48

Like, good, faithful conversations, or if they were curious about American culture, what's like.

Adam Coleman 00:29:53

And I'll give them my honest perspective about what I felt about this and what I felt about that.

Adam Coleman 00:29:59

And it was very refreshing.

Adam Coleman 00:30:02

It was very refreshing to have these particular experiences and then to learn from them.

Adam Coleman 00:30:07

You know, I remember having tapas with this woman from Australia.

Adam Coleman 00:30:11

We talked about politics for, like, two hours, about American politics, Australian politics, and differences between the two, and how much more fascinating for us it is.

Adam Coleman 00:30:21

I mean, Much more fascinating our political system is compared to theirs and things like that.

Adam Coleman 00:30:26

So it's just, it was very eye opening.

Adam Coleman 00:30:30

But to kind of answer your question, I've never felt more American until I leave United States.

Adam Coleman 00:30:38

Like, it's very obvious that I'm an American.

Will Spencer 00:30:42

So that's.

Will Spencer 00:30:44

So does that mean, just to make sure I'm clear on the answer, does that mean that you don't feel like an American here, but you feel like an American there?

Will Spencer 00:30:49

Or like you're suddenly aware from the rest of the world's perspective, we're all just Americans and they don't really distinguish between different types.

Will Spencer 00:30:57

Okay, beautiful.

Will Spencer 00:30:58

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 00:30:58

Well, to kind of add to that, in the United States, especially these days with the race rhetoric and stuff like that, you are pushed to see yourself as a hyphenated American.

Adam Coleman 00:31:13

But when I leave the country, no one says, oh, you're a black American or you're an African American or you're some sort of hyphen.

Adam Coleman 00:31:21

No, you're an American.

Will Spencer 00:31:22

Yeah, that's true.

Adam Coleman 00:31:23

Like that, that's it.

Adam Coleman 00:31:24

That's how they see it.

Adam Coleman 00:31:25

And they feel that it's bizarre to see yourself otherwise.

Adam Coleman 00:31:28

Like, no, you're, you're clearly American.

Adam Coleman 00:31:32

And so that's why I, for a bit after, after going back and forth between Europe and United States, I felt kind of upset that I'm not seen as purely American.

Adam Coleman 00:31:46

I'm, I'm a.

Adam Coleman 00:31:47

I have a hyphen next to my status when I'm here, you know, and that kind of, that actually kind of bothered me for a bit.

Adam Coleman 00:31:56

But now it's.

Adam Coleman 00:31:57

It.

Adam Coleman 00:31:57

That's what it is.

Adam Coleman 00:31:59

But I, I do enjoy being seen.

Adam Coleman 00:32:02

And actually there is a level of status, you understand this.

Adam Coleman 00:32:05

There's a level of status being an American just by default.

Adam Coleman 00:32:08

And I kind of enjoyed that status of just being an American.

Adam Coleman 00:32:12

Not.

Adam Coleman 00:32:12

There's no hyphen or anything like that.

Will Spencer 00:32:17

That is a special feel.

Will Spencer 00:32:18

That is a special feeling.

Will Spencer 00:32:19

So.

Will Spencer 00:32:20

So when you come back to the United States, do you feel like that you have to put on the hyphen?

Will Spencer 00:32:24

That's, that's the expectation of you, or do you feel like that's just a cultural thing that's in the water?

Will Spencer 00:32:29

Because my identity hierarchy is probably similar to yours.

Will Spencer 00:32:33

Like, I'm a Christian, I'm a man, I'm an American, and then I'm literally everything else.

Will Spencer 00:32:38

Right.

Will Spencer 00:32:38

And so it sounds the same for you, but sometimes people want to force the others identity hierarchies to be somewhat different from that.

Will Spencer 00:32:45

Like, no, no, I'm this first.

Will Spencer 00:32:46

So do you feel like people force that on you and you just want to be like, I'm just an American?

Adam Coleman 00:32:51

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 00:32:51

Especially when I was growing up.

Adam Coleman 00:32:55

Not even, you know, when I was a kid.

Adam Coleman 00:32:57

Obviously, I'm not thinking about patriotism, but I always just saw, like, I.

Adam Coleman 00:33:01

Myself, like, I'm.

Adam Coleman 00:33:03

I'm just me.

Adam Coleman 00:33:03

I'm not trying to be the stereotype.

Adam Coleman 00:33:06

I'm not trying to be this.

Adam Coleman 00:33:07

Like, I'm just trying to feel comfortable.

Adam Coleman 00:33:09

And especially when you.

Adam Coleman 00:33:10

You spend so long feeling uncomfortably like you're always searching to be comfortable.

Adam Coleman 00:33:14

But, man, if I found something I like, I just like it, you know, if.

Adam Coleman 00:33:20

You know, how I speak was put under question.

Adam Coleman 00:33:23

The music I listened to was put under question.

Adam Coleman 00:33:25

How I dress is put under question.

Adam Coleman 00:33:27

You know, all these different things.

Adam Coleman 00:33:30

You know, when I remember when I was in high school, people sometimes say to me, oh, they were calling white Adam.

Adam Coleman 00:33:40

Right?

Adam Coleman 00:33:40

It's that kind of.

Adam Coleman 00:33:42

Also, I'm not even black anymore.

Adam Coleman 00:33:44

I'm just.

Adam Coleman 00:33:45

I'm just black.

Adam Coleman 00:33:46

I'm just white now, you know, because I don't fill in the stereotype of what they're comfortable with.

Adam Coleman 00:33:52

And that was the thing.

Adam Coleman 00:33:53

It's always about someone else's comfort.

Adam Coleman 00:33:55

It's never in consideration to how I feel.

Adam Coleman 00:33:58

But you're talking about me, and so it's kind of like shaming me for feeling comfortable doing certain things in it and expressing myself in a particular way or listening to a particular music or following this particular sport or dating this particular person.

Adam Coleman 00:34:14

You know, I've dated.

Adam Coleman 00:34:16

My wife is black, but my son is biracial.

Adam Coleman 00:34:21

I wasn't trying to have a biracial child.

Adam Coleman 00:34:24

I wasn't saying I only like this.

Adam Coleman 00:34:26

You know, I wasn't doing.

Adam Coleman 00:34:27

I just liked her.

Adam Coleman 00:34:29

She.

Adam Coleman 00:34:29

You know, we liked each other.

Adam Coleman 00:34:31

That was it.

Adam Coleman 00:34:32

We were two human beings, man and woman, and we liked each other.

Adam Coleman 00:34:35

And sometimes you get accused because you don't fit into the stereotype that you must be rejecting this.

Adam Coleman 00:34:43

You must be.

Adam Coleman 00:34:44

You don't want to be black.

Adam Coleman 00:34:45

You don't want to be.

Adam Coleman 00:34:46

This.

Adam Coleman 00:34:46

You don't want to do.

Adam Coleman 00:34:47

It's like, no, I.

Adam Coleman 00:34:49

I'm just going towards what I'm comfortable with.

Adam Coleman 00:34:51

I'm comfortable with all different types of things.

Adam Coleman 00:34:53

And I think there are so many people who are pigeonholed into feeling like they must appease to this racial order, racial expectation, that even.

Adam Coleman 00:35:06

Even the people who are trying to appease it have no idea where the.

Adam Coleman 00:35:10

Where the guidelines are.

Adam Coleman 00:35:11

Like, you know, I remember my wife was on this Facebook Group.

Adam Coleman 00:35:15

And it was.

Adam Coleman 00:35:16

I think it was primarily black women.

Adam Coleman 00:35:19

And they were asking.

Adam Coleman 00:35:20

I can't remember the activity, but they asked the question.

Adam Coleman 00:35:23

And these are adults.

Adam Coleman 00:35:25

Just keep that in mind.

Adam Coleman 00:35:26

These are adults and they ask the question, do black people do this?

Adam Coleman 00:35:29

Now, they were asking the question because they liked it.

Adam Coleman 00:35:33

And I just thought, that is so strange.

Adam Coleman 00:35:36

It is so strange that a grown person who likes doing something is asking, do black people do this?

Adam Coleman 00:35:42

So if everybody said no, would you stop doing the thing that you actually like or interested in?

Will Spencer 00:35:48

Like, that is the intention.

Will Spencer 00:35:49

I got it.

Adam Coleman 00:35:50

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 00:35:51

That.

Adam Coleman 00:35:51

It's so.

Adam Coleman 00:35:52

It's so bizarre.

Adam Coleman 00:35:53

But it's like.

Adam Coleman 00:35:55

It's like this air of expectation because I happen to have darker skin than you.

Adam Coleman 00:36:02

It's such a weird, weird phenomenon that exists here that thankfully doesn't exist elsewhere.

Adam Coleman 00:36:11

Not in the same way, at least, I should say.

Will Spencer 00:36:15

So I can relate to this as well in my own way because I grew up Jewish.

Will Spencer 00:36:19

And so, you know, when I decided that I didn't want to adhere to any of the Jewish cultural stereotypes and became a Christian, no longer Jewish, I mean, we could talk about that.

Will Spencer 00:36:27

But it's like, okay, I'm leaving this behind.

Will Spencer 00:36:29

But the expectations are still tugging at me.

Will Spencer 00:36:31

No, I'm not interested.

Will Spencer 00:36:32

Like, I'm doing this other thing.

Will Spencer 00:36:34

But then out there in the world, it's like, no, you're Jewish.

Will Spencer 00:36:36

You're supposed to be like this.

Will Spencer 00:36:37

Like, no, I'm nothing like that.

Will Spencer 00:36:38

Right.

Will Spencer 00:36:39

And so, like, it's this strange position where it's like, the people for where we come from have expectations of us.

Will Spencer 00:36:45

The people where we're going to, let's say, have expectations.

Will Spencer 00:36:48

Like, no, I'm none of those things.

Will Spencer 00:36:50

Can you please just relate to me like, the person to person?

Will Spencer 00:36:53

It's a.

Will Spencer 00:36:54

I'm grateful to hear you.

Will Spencer 00:36:55

To hear you say that, because I can relate to in that moment, like, why are you asking me this question?

Will Spencer 00:36:59

Meaning the woman on the Facebook page, like, you know, black people like this.

Will Spencer 00:37:02

Like, well, what difference does it make?

Adam Coleman 00:37:05

Who cares?

Adam Coleman 00:37:06

Who cares?

Adam Coleman 00:37:07

And that's.

Adam Coleman 00:37:09

See, for me, I've always just been.

Adam Coleman 00:37:12

I like people.

Adam Coleman 00:37:13

You know, I understand people and don't care if you're white, black, Hispanic, Asian.

Adam Coleman 00:37:21

I don't care if you're young or old.

Adam Coleman 00:37:22

I care about what's your heart.

Adam Coleman 00:37:24

Like, are you a good person?

Adam Coleman 00:37:25

There's so many people that I've met who do not look like me, who are coming from different places, but I understand them.

Adam Coleman 00:37:33

If I tell a quick story, please.

Adam Coleman 00:37:37

The first time I was.

Adam Coleman 00:37:38

I Went to Istanbul.

Adam Coleman 00:37:39

I went on this boat ride.

Adam Coleman 00:37:42

I forgot the name of the main river that goes through Istanbul.

Adam Coleman 00:37:47

I'll probably butcher it if I try to say it, but I went on this boat ride, and there was a family from Uzbekistan that was there, and they were.

Adam Coleman 00:37:57

I could tell they were friendly, and they kind of came up to.

Adam Coleman 00:38:02

It was me.

Adam Coleman 00:38:02

And one of the first kind of came up to us, and we interacted with each other, but they couldn't speak English.

Adam Coleman 00:38:08

Like, there was one of them that spoke very, very broken English.

Adam Coleman 00:38:14

Like, she just knew a couple words here and there.

Adam Coleman 00:38:17

Couldn't reform a full conversation.

Adam Coleman 00:38:20

So we were pulling out Google Translate.

Adam Coleman 00:38:22

But there was a very human moment, when I think about it, we.

Adam Coleman 00:38:28

We were able to communicate.

Adam Coleman 00:38:30

Hey, after the boat ride, let's have lunch together.

Adam Coleman 00:38:33

And they were like, okay.

Adam Coleman 00:38:34

So they understood what we were trying to do.

Adam Coleman 00:38:37

We left the boat, and it was a little bit windy.

Adam Coleman 00:38:40

And I could see the mother because it was.

Adam Coleman 00:38:43

It was a mother, two daughters who were like, probably like early 20s.

Adam Coleman 00:38:50

They look like twins.

Adam Coleman 00:38:52

And then there was another daughter who's a little older, maybe in her late 20s, early 30s.

Adam Coleman 00:38:57

And then one of the daughters had a baby, a baby boy who's probably, like, I say baby, but very young, like a toddler.

Adam Coleman 00:39:05

And we're all.

Adam Coleman 00:39:06

They're all walking as a family.

Adam Coleman 00:39:08

And I see the mother kind of like going like this, holding herself.

Adam Coleman 00:39:12

And I took off my jacket and I put it on her shoulder.

Adam Coleman 00:39:17

And I don't speak Uzbek.

Adam Coleman 00:39:19

She doesn't speak English.

Adam Coleman 00:39:20

But I could see as a human being, I could tell she's cold.

Adam Coleman 00:39:23

And I'm showing her a nice gesture by putting this on her so she's not as cold.

Adam Coleman 00:39:28

And I'll sacrifice my warmth for her to feel warm for a minute as we walked to this restaurant.

Adam Coleman 00:39:34

And, you know, stuff like that where I was like, I'm not trying to appease someone.

Adam Coleman 00:39:41

I'm not trying to, you know, did I give her my coat in the blackest way possible?

Adam Coleman 00:39:47

You know, I'm just.

Adam Coleman 00:39:48

She's just a human being, and it's in who is cold.

Adam Coleman 00:39:52

And I'm willing to sacrifice my warmth so she can feel warm.

Adam Coleman 00:39:58

You know, it's that.

Adam Coleman 00:39:59

It's that type of stuff where I think we.

Adam Coleman 00:40:02

We often lose track of that.

Adam Coleman 00:40:03

Like, especially dealing with politics, we lose.

Adam Coleman 00:40:05

We lose track of humanity.

Adam Coleman 00:40:07

Like, people just become like names.

Adam Coleman 00:40:09

They're no longer people with feelings and emotions.

Adam Coleman 00:40:11

They just want names.

Adam Coleman 00:40:13

And so because they're a name, you can just slice part the name you can.

Adam Coleman 00:40:16

You can defame the name.

Adam Coleman 00:40:18

You can call whatever you want.

Adam Coleman 00:40:19

You can make memes of the name.

Adam Coleman 00:40:22

They're not really people that feel anything.

Adam Coleman 00:40:23

And you know what?

Adam Coleman 00:40:24

They should expect to feel this.

Adam Coleman 00:40:27

Right.

Adam Coleman 00:40:28

It's that kind of dehumanization that exists that I don't like about my particular space, but obviously it's always existed.

Will Spencer 00:40:42

I think that's why I was wondering about the transition from being sort of an IT manager at a small company to being a public figure is once you start doing that, you cross over into the realm of actually having your name torn apart in public.

Will Spencer 00:40:56

And it's.

Will Spencer 00:40:56

It's quite a lot to endure.

Will Spencer 00:40:58

Like, it's.

Will Spencer 00:40:58

It's part of the job, you know, and any other.

Will Spencer 00:41:01

Every job has its downsides.

Will Spencer 00:41:02

And being a public figure, talking about politics or race or all these different things and whatever the subject is of the day, like, you're going to get torn apart because that's the arena.

Will Spencer 00:41:11

And so it can be difficult going.

Will Spencer 00:41:13

Being the kind of man going from private, you know, private citizen to public figure, and being subject to all the pressures and all the vitriol that comes with being a public figure kind of overnight.

Will Spencer 00:41:24

And so that's why I asked about the strength, where the strength had come from to be able to endure that.

Will Spencer 00:41:30

And I hear that.

Will Spencer 00:41:32

I hear a lot of my own story reflect on it, as I said, with grieving through therapy and then testing oneself by a travel.

Will Spencer 00:41:38

And I can relate very much to the way that that actually prepares you for the arena.

Will Spencer 00:41:43

Even though, like, you weren't setting out to get into the arena, neither was I.

Will Spencer 00:41:47

Like, I didn't have it on my mind like, that I'd be a podcaster.

Will Spencer 00:41:49

Like, what?

Will Spencer 00:41:51

So I honor you for your story.

Will Spencer 00:41:53

I mean, it's incredible that you can bring that.

Will Spencer 00:41:55

That presence and that sense of, I guess, adventure and experimentation, because especially with our hypercharged, you know, divided America, we as Americans have trouble seeing ourselves.

Will Spencer 00:42:07

And by popping out to these other countries and seeing how they see us and almost forgetting ourselves in a way, when I've come back to America, it gave me a whole different perspective on my own country to be able to say, hey, here are some things I've learned that maybe can help heal the situation.

Will Spencer 00:42:24

Maybe you can relate to that.

Adam Coleman 00:42:27

Yeah, absolutely.

Adam Coleman 00:42:31

I think one of.

Adam Coleman 00:42:33

Because I remember you had traveled to India number of times, correct?

Will Spencer 00:42:38

Okay, one time for a long time.

Adam Coleman 00:42:40

Run time for a long time.

Adam Coleman 00:42:41

That's right.

Adam Coleman 00:42:43

So I would imagine.

Adam Coleman 00:42:45

I've never been to India, but I would imagine going to A place like that and coming back home makes you more grateful of the things that you have because you're seeing people who have, who don't have, like, it's just basic necessities.

Adam Coleman 00:43:01

Excuse me.

Adam Coleman 00:43:02

I've been to Jamaica, but we didn't stay at a resort, so I got to see real Jamaica.

Adam Coleman 00:43:12

Granted, we didn't go to Kingston, which is very dangerous, especially for someone who's not from there.

Adam Coleman 00:43:18

We went to Montego Bay and I got to see what it's like for people, for children to beg.

Adam Coleman 00:43:27

I got to see a little bit of desperation.

Adam Coleman 00:43:30

I got to see markets that have dirt floors.

Adam Coleman 00:43:35

I got to see that stuff, you know, cars that are barely running on the, on the, you know, driving around.

Adam Coleman 00:43:41

So I got to see those things.

Adam Coleman 00:43:43

Cops walking around with shotguns, which kind of blew my mind, you know.

Adam Coleman 00:43:49

So I got to see all these different things and then come back home.

Adam Coleman 00:43:53

And it made me more grateful as far as the things that I have, even like the basic of what I have, because I saw so many who didn't, who didn't have these things.

Adam Coleman 00:44:05

It's not to say that having these things means that life is so much better, but you can see the benefit in the utility of having these things.

Adam Coleman 00:44:15

How there's so many people who strive just to have the basics of what we have.

Adam Coleman 00:44:21

So if I was to use that as an example and talk about the political conversation, because there are a lot of Americans who don't leave this country and when they do, they basically go to American enclaves and resorts and stuff like that and sit by the beach because it's, you know, a carved out space for them to feel safe away from the locals and everybody else.

Adam Coleman 00:44:43

So because they don't actually see people being desperate people wanting and yearning things, I don't think they fully understand why so many people are trying to come to America.

Adam Coleman 00:44:57

You know, why would someone travel through the desert, risk death, risk being trafficked into sex slavery, risk a mother having their children take away from them, never to see them again?

Adam Coleman 00:45:13

You know, I heard stories of just recently, some reporters were talking to independent reporters were talking to migrants who were in New York City.

Adam Coleman 00:45:28

And they asked them all, what country are you from?

Adam Coleman 00:45:30

How did you get here?

Adam Coleman 00:45:32

And as they're describing all the different countries that they had to go through, from South America to throughout Central America to make it to Mexico and eventually into United States.

Adam Coleman 00:45:43

They were pointing out, in certain areas it is known for people to be kidnapped.

Adam Coleman 00:45:49

In certain areas it's known for people to be, to be trafficked for kids to be taken, for you to be robbed and have your goods stolen.

Adam Coleman 00:46:00

And they understand that it's still better for them to go through that so they can come here and be in America.

Adam Coleman 00:46:10

And I should tell you something that, like, for me, when I hear these stories and I've talked to people who are legal migrants, you know, immigrants who from this country.

Adam Coleman 00:46:21

My father was an immigrant from Trinidad, although I didn't have relationship with him like that, so I never got to hear his immigrant story.

Adam Coleman 00:46:30

But, you know, I talked to plenty of immigrants who came here legally who are in the United States.

Adam Coleman 00:46:35

People from Iran who were escaping persecution and came to the United States with nothing and was able to build a sustainable life, who are so thankful for being here.

Adam Coleman 00:46:45

Cuban Americans who came here from communist nation to find prosperity here.

Adam Coleman 00:46:51

And they're so thankful for being here and the safety that is being provided for them because of being here.

Adam Coleman 00:46:58

You know, I look at all these people, I'm like, there's so many examples you don't even have.

Adam Coleman 00:47:02

I don't.

Adam Coleman 00:47:02

I don't ever have to touch down in Iran or Cuba or any of these places.

Adam Coleman 00:47:07

I don't ever have to live there to understand because I've talked to so many different people, and they all have the same reasons why they risk so much just to come here.

Adam Coleman 00:47:16

Like, there's so many people who are afraid to move from one state to another state because they don't know anybody.

Adam Coleman 00:47:23

You know, I don't know anybody there, and I don't know if I'll get a job.

Adam Coleman 00:47:27

These are people who went to a completely different country with barely anything, who don't even speak the language and have to literally start their entire life over with little to no support like that.

Adam Coleman 00:47:41

To me, if someone's willing to go through all that, there must be a really damn good reason as to why they want to do that.

Adam Coleman 00:47:48

And especially when you find out it's not just that one person, but there potentially millions of people who are in the very same predicament that, to me, that says there's something very special about the United States, because trust and believe, no one's trying to do that for the vast majority of other countries around the world.

Will Spencer 00:48:11

Yes.

Will Spencer 00:48:12

And I think the tragedy of the situation is that so many of these people's hopes and dreams, they're used as political pawns as well.

Will Spencer 00:48:19

And that's.

Will Spencer 00:48:19

That's the real shame is there is, you know, traveling around the world.

Adam Coleman 00:48:22

Just.

Will Spencer 00:48:22

If I could share a quick story.

Will Spencer 00:48:24

I think I was on a flight to Australia.

Will Spencer 00:48:27

And I was sitting next to a man, I was talking about my desire to.

Will Spencer 00:48:31

To travel around the South Pacific.

Will Spencer 00:48:34

And I had told him that I wanted to go to Papua New Guinea.

Will Spencer 00:48:36

And he kind of stopped cold for a second.

Will Spencer 00:48:38

He's like, you probably don't want to do that.

Will Spencer 00:48:40

And I said, why?

Will Spencer 00:48:40

He's like, well, my wife is a nurse there.

Will Spencer 00:48:43

She flies in, and there's active human cannibalism going on right there.

Will Spencer 00:48:47

So probably.

Will Spencer 00:48:48

Probably don't fly to Papua New Guinea.

Will Spencer 00:48:50

As in, like, she gets off.

Will Spencer 00:48:51

Like, she's.

Will Spencer 00:48:52

She's a.

Will Spencer 00:48:53

Some sort of missionary, nurse helping.

Will Spencer 00:48:55

Helping a small village, something like that.

Will Spencer 00:48:57

And he was describing to me, like, you know, she gets off the plane and she gets into, like, an armored SUV and is taken to the village.

Will Spencer 00:49:04

You know, she.

Will Spencer 00:49:05

And not just her, but the doctors and all that stuff.

Will Spencer 00:49:07

And.

Will Spencer 00:49:08

And that's the condition of much of the world that people are trying to escape from.

Will Spencer 00:49:11

Like, that's one of the.

Will Spencer 00:49:12

One of the worst stories that I heard, obviously.

Will Spencer 00:49:15

So people want to escape these conditions.

Will Spencer 00:49:18

And like, that genuine human desire for safety is.

Will Spencer 00:49:22

Is exploited and weaponized people by people who want to use those individuals as political pawns within the United States.

Will Spencer 00:49:28

And it's like kind of getting screwed no matter.

Will Spencer 00:49:31

No matter where you are.

Will Spencer 00:49:33

And then, of course, along with, you know, these.

Will Spencer 00:49:35

These genuine good people trying to, I believe, have a better life.

Will Spencer 00:49:38

There are people that are actively, actively malicious, released from prison, et cetera, who see us as an opera, who see our country as an opportunity to exploit as well.

Will Spencer 00:49:46

And it's such a.

Will Spencer 00:49:47

It's such a gigantic mess and certainly like to travel and to see the condition of much of the world.

Will Spencer 00:49:52

Like, we really do not understand how blessed we are to live in the United States.

Will Spencer 00:49:57

There's no country on earth that's like it.

Will Spencer 00:49:59

You know, there's no.

Will Spencer 00:50:00

There's no country as significant that's as peaceful, and there's no country that's as peaceful that's as significant.

Will Spencer 00:50:06

Right.

Will Spencer 00:50:06

So you can go to, you know, you can go to China, you know, which is a pretty big country, and it's not as peaceful there as it is here.

Will Spencer 00:50:12

I mean, the heavy hand of communist oppression, you feel it when you get off the plane.

Will Spencer 00:50:17

When I left China, I flew from Shanghai to Taiwan.

Will Spencer 00:50:20

I exited the airport at Taiwan and instinctively went.

Will Spencer 00:50:24

Because I could.

Will Spencer 00:50:25

The weight of the.

Will Spencer 00:50:26

Of Communist China finally fell off.

Will Spencer 00:50:27

I didn't even notice.

Will Spencer 00:50:28

I was feeling it.

Will Spencer 00:50:29

And so.

Will Spencer 00:50:30

But we.

Will Spencer 00:50:30

But because as you're, as you say so rightfully Americans don't travel.

Will Spencer 00:50:34

And so they don't have the ability to reflect on the blessings of this country.

Will Spencer 00:50:37

And they.

Will Spencer 00:50:38

And as a result, they don't know how to manage sharing it and not sharing it.

Will Spencer 00:50:42

So some are motivated to kind of like, hold, withhold it entirely, and some are motivated to just give it away freely.

Will Spencer 00:50:48

It's because neither really knows how to value what we have here because they've never seen it from the outside.

Adam Coleman 00:50:54

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 00:50:55

You know, if I can slightly pivot because you made me think about something.

Will Spencer 00:51:00

Please.

Adam Coleman 00:51:00

It reminds me of people who grew up always surrounded by Christianity, always going to church, and some of them not understanding the perspective of someone who's born again and understanding the daunting task of recognizing where you were wrong, were you sinned and you were in living right or whatever.

Adam Coleman 00:51:31

Whatever your circumstance was, and to acknowledge that and repent for that.

Adam Coleman 00:51:37

So.

Adam Coleman 00:51:38

And to do that in a deep way, to now come with Christ in humility.

Adam Coleman 00:51:48

Like, I don't think a lot of people understand that.

Adam Coleman 00:51:50

Who, Who've always.

Adam Coleman 00:51:52

They've always been in Christ and, you know, it's culturally theirs and always gone.

Adam Coleman 00:51:56

And they've always been theoretically in the street, narrow, never deviated.

Adam Coleman 00:52:01

And I, you know, that's what it makes me think of.

Adam Coleman 00:52:05

And I see people like Russell Br.

Adam Coleman 00:52:08

We'll just use him as an example, you know, we know his history of debauchery, of getting into all these different things, of being confused and drugs and all this.

Adam Coleman 00:52:18

And for him to come to Christ.

Adam Coleman 00:52:20

And then people will be like, well, you know, and try to downplay the significance of what he was able to accomplish.

Adam Coleman 00:52:31

Skepticism, that every person who comes to Christ must be, you know, trying to do some sort of trickery.

Adam Coleman 00:52:37

And, you know, it's just.

Adam Coleman 00:52:40

Or, oh, well, let's just wait and see if they really are.

Adam Coleman 00:52:44

It's just, man, there's.

Adam Coleman 00:52:48

There's such a daft of humility surrounding faith and genuine.

Adam Coleman 00:52:55

Trying to have empathy and understanding for people.

Adam Coleman 00:52:58

You know, if Russell Brand slips up and has a drug binge, well, you should understand, empathize with him and pray for him and hope that he comes back and he stops these.

Adam Coleman 00:53:12

His ways.

Adam Coleman 00:53:13

But, like, it doesn't mean that you're.

Adam Coleman 00:53:15

You're automatically perfect.

Adam Coleman 00:53:16

And just because you want to pretend that you're perfect your entire life doesn't mean that that is actually true.

Adam Coleman 00:53:23

It doesn't mean that someone else who, who has slipped and fallen and struggling is somehow worse than you.

Adam Coleman 00:53:35

And I think that's.

Adam Coleman 00:53:36

I think that's what really bothered me this idea that this person who has always been on the straight and narrow is somehow better than me because they've always been on straight and narrow.

Adam Coleman 00:53:49

And it's like.

Adam Coleman 00:53:50

No, because from my perspective, I thought that was the whole point.

Adam Coleman 00:53:54

The whole point is that you might think you're on straight and narrow, but you're a sinner.

Adam Coleman 00:53:59

So am I.

Adam Coleman 00:54:00

We're on the same plane.

Adam Coleman 00:54:03

And we both have our struggles with something that is the whole point of all this.

Adam Coleman 00:54:09

And we should be empathetic rather than pretending that we don't sin, that we don't have lustful desires, that we don't have, you know, a bit of an ego that don't struggle with pride, that we don't struggle with these things.

Adam Coleman 00:54:25

Yeah, we all got different things that are going on in our lives.

Adam Coleman 00:54:31

So I started to kind of deviate.

Adam Coleman 00:54:34

But when you said that.

Adam Coleman 00:54:35

No, that's like the thing that really came to my mind.

Adam Coleman 00:54:39

I think there's a really, really big lack of empathy that especially exists within.

Adam Coleman 00:54:47

In the conservative world, and especially, like conservative politics, which always tries to use Christianity as a measuring stick for policy, when the reality is, like, the Republican Party is a political party, it's not church.

Adam Coleman 00:55:04

And when these same political figures.

Adam Coleman 00:55:08

And by the way, it's a little bit of a rant.

Adam Coleman 00:55:10

These same political figures who want to wag their finger up.

Adam Coleman 00:55:14

No.

Adam Coleman 00:55:15

And be outraged because they're a whole bunch of rappers who are at the Super Bowl.

Adam Coleman 00:55:19

Oh, my God, it's degenerate music.

Adam Coleman 00:55:22

The same ones who are saying, I like Andrew Tate.

Adam Coleman 00:55:27

Oh, you mean the pornographer.

Adam Coleman 00:55:29

The guy who's being accused of trafficking.

Adam Coleman 00:55:31

Oh, that guy.

Adam Coleman 00:55:32

Oh, okay.

Adam Coleman 00:55:34

All right, cool.

Adam Coleman 00:55:36

You know, it's just.

Will Spencer 00:55:37

Thanks for the double standards.

Adam Coleman 00:55:39

Right.

Adam Coleman 00:55:39

It's just this.

Adam Coleman 00:55:40

It's so blatantly obvious.

Adam Coleman 00:55:42

It's not even an attempt to be consistent.

Adam Coleman 00:55:45

And so that's where I'm like, I just.

Adam Coleman 00:55:49

I can't stand.

Adam Coleman 00:55:51

Obviously, we're all hyperts to some degree.

Adam Coleman 00:55:54

And I just try not to be as much as possible, man.

Adam Coleman 00:55:57

There's some people who are just so overtly not even trying.

Adam Coleman 00:56:00

It's just whatever is beneficial at the time.

Adam Coleman 00:56:03

They just.

Adam Coleman 00:56:04

They just say and do these things because, well, this person's different because they're on my team, or this person's different because the people I hate hate him.

Adam Coleman 00:56:13

So they're now my friend, even though they're clearly an immoral individual.

Adam Coleman 00:56:18

You know, so it's just.

Adam Coleman 00:56:19

It's all that.

Will Spencer 00:56:20

So, yeah, no, I totally understand.

Will Spencer 00:56:25

Like, there, there's.

Will Spencer 00:56:26

I Think the thing that I would say that I see similar between the conversation about, you know, coming to America and coming to Christ is people who have a good thing not knowing how to properly onboard people who want to be a part of it, right?

Will Spencer 00:56:39

Whether it be like, yeah, come in, I have plenty to go around, or that, no, you can't have any of this, right?

Will Spencer 00:56:45

Like hard walls versus like, you know, thrown open barn doors.

Will Spencer 00:56:49

And I think part of that might have to do with like, well, we have this good thing.

Will Spencer 00:56:53

And maybe it has to do around with this 20th, 21st century conversation around the word privilege, right?

Will Spencer 00:56:59

Like we, like this privilege comes bundled with this notion of like guilt and shame.

Will Spencer 00:57:03

Like, okay, I have this thing and like, I should feel bad because I have it and they don't, right?

Will Spencer 00:57:08

Communist, Marxist.

Will Spencer 00:57:09

And so if you're operating in that paradigm, it's like, oh, I have this unearned privilege, well then, well then the response could be like, I better give it away, right?

Will Spencer 00:57:17

And then some people are going to say that, like, no, stop giving that away.

Will Spencer 00:57:19

You have to make people earn it.

Will Spencer 00:57:20

Like, let's shut it down, right?

Will Spencer 00:57:22

And so I think, I think we're so maybe infected by this Marxist thinking that we don't know how to say, like, okay, I have a good thing, but I want to make sure that before I share it with you that we have some understanding first, right?

Will Spencer 00:57:36

And I think churches, you know, the churches can have better or worse onboarding processes.

Will Spencer 00:57:42

Some churches have membership classes where they actually vet you and ask you questions because they want to protect a good thing that they have.

Will Spencer 00:57:49

It's not that they say, no, you can't be a part of this, right?

Will Spencer 00:57:51

You actually go through a process.

Will Spencer 00:57:53

And I think we used to have that in America as well when we used to understand this is a good thing, we have to protect it.

Will Spencer 00:57:58

But in the past, I don't know, 20, 30, 40 years, it's just been, I feel like in Christianity also, the doors have been thrown open, like seeker sensitive, I think, is what they call that.

Will Spencer 00:58:08

Like, yeah, just come in, hang out, you know, as if, as if, you know, there isn't requirements to get into heaven, you know, as if there aren't requirements in the Bible to take communion.

Will Spencer 00:58:19

And so I think what everyone's responding to and in some cases reacting to is this over generosity that has drained the reserves of both the United States and perhaps also Christendom.

Will Spencer 00:58:29

And so what do we do when we're inheriting this situation?

Will Spencer 00:58:33

I don't actually, I don't actually know But I know what you mean about, like, facing skepticism, being Christian, or facing judgment.

Will Spencer 00:58:41

Like, you don't know what it's like out there.

Will Spencer 00:58:42

I'm just coming in the door looking for safety.

Will Spencer 00:58:45

I can.

Will Spencer 00:58:45

I can very much understand.

Will Spencer 00:58:47

Understand.

Will Spencer 00:58:47

And also taking for granted what they have.

Will Spencer 00:58:51

Like, you grew up, you know, in the.

Will Spencer 00:58:52

In the church, you know, and it's like.

Will Spencer 00:58:54

And here's this incredible blessing that was given to you from birth, and I believe you're faithful.

Will Spencer 00:58:59

Like, but they don't have a way to devalue it because they weren't wandering around in the wilderness.

Will Spencer 00:59:03

Wilderness.

Will Spencer 00:59:04

Like some of us.

Will Spencer 00:59:05

Some of us were.

Will Spencer 00:59:05

So that's my rant in response.

Will Spencer 00:59:06

Like, I agree with everything you're saying.

Will Spencer 00:59:08

It's a.

Will Spencer 00:59:09

It's a strange thing to experience and to be able to talk with you about, because I've had similar experiences traveling America and Christianity as well.

Adam Coleman 00:59:18

Yeah, I.

Adam Coleman 00:59:21

This is.

Adam Coleman 00:59:21

This is the area where I try not to complain.

Adam Coleman 00:59:29

I don't like complaining in general.

Adam Coleman 00:59:35

Obviously, I complain.

Adam Coleman 00:59:36

We all complain a little bit, but try not to be a complainer.

Adam Coleman 00:59:41

So what I try my best to do is instead of pointing out what people aren't doing, I just try to do that very thing.

Adam Coleman 00:59:53

And so we were talking about becoming a public figure.

Adam Coleman 01:00:00

I.

Adam Coleman 01:00:00

I never.

Adam Coleman 01:00:00

I never anticipated any of this stuff happening.

Adam Coleman 01:00:03

As I was saying before, and as it happened, I start to understand that this is much bigger than myself.

Adam Coleman 01:00:14

And even as I was coming closer to God, I understood that what I'm doing is much bigger than myself.

Adam Coleman 01:00:22

And how I can.

Adam Coleman 01:00:23

How it can impact people can.

Adam Coleman 01:00:27

It can be both.

Adam Coleman 01:00:29

It can be one or the other.

Adam Coleman 01:00:30

It could positive or it could be negative.

Adam Coleman 01:00:33

I can do a bunch of clickbaits off and make people upset, or I can give people to think about and be thankful and give them something generally positive after reading something that I write.

Adam Coleman 01:00:47

So I chose.

Adam Coleman 01:00:50

I chose to go the positive route because that's just.

Adam Coleman 01:00:52

That's my nature.

Adam Coleman 01:00:55

Like, I want to help people.

Adam Coleman 01:00:57

Excuse me.

Adam Coleman 01:00:58

I should drink more water.

Adam Coleman 01:01:03

Not allowed.

Adam Coleman 01:01:05

No, I.

Adam Coleman 01:01:06

In general, I want to help people and I want them to do better at their lives.

Adam Coleman 01:01:11

And what I realized is my.

Adam Coleman 01:01:14

My little bit of notoriety that I have has been an opportunity to touch people in a very particular light in a very particular way that maybe other people aren't attempting to.

Adam Coleman 01:01:32

Excuse me.

Adam Coleman 01:01:35

You know, if I.

Adam Coleman 01:01:36

If I can give a quick story and please, I tell the story.

Adam Coleman 01:01:41

Obviously, when I tell these stories, it's not to brag, not to talk about.

Adam Coleman 01:01:44

Look, I'm better than Anybody.

Adam Coleman 01:01:46

Anybody else.

Adam Coleman 01:01:47

I feel very fortunate to be in a position to help somebody like this.

Adam Coleman 01:01:52

But I talked.

Adam Coleman 01:01:54

I sent a tweet about being lonely.

Adam Coleman 01:01:59

It was something of that nature.

Adam Coleman 01:02:00

Being lonely or being.

Adam Coleman 01:02:03

Maybe even being agoraphobic at that moment that I felt agoraphobia.

Adam Coleman 01:02:08

I was just scared to leave my house for the first time.

Adam Coleman 01:02:12

And I talked about that, and someone sent a tweet that said, I'm going through that right now.

Adam Coleman 01:02:19

And when I read that, I was like, that sounds like a call for help.

Adam Coleman 01:02:25

And so we immediately went to private message, and I started talking to him, and I said, can you talk on the phone?

Adam Coleman 01:02:35

He said, actually, I cut off my cell phone.

Adam Coleman 01:02:39

Like, he.

Adam Coleman 01:02:40

He hasn't been communicating with the outside world other than Twitter, and he had barely used that.

Adam Coleman 01:02:47

And.

Adam Coleman 01:02:48

But I convinced him to bring up some sort of way that we can talk online.

Adam Coleman 01:02:55

And I had to drive somewhere.

Adam Coleman 01:02:56

So I talked to him for about 45 minutes.

Adam Coleman 01:02:58

Using Canada not to get his.

Adam Coleman 01:03:02

His entire story.

Adam Coleman 01:03:03

I did write about this experience on my substack, but basically, he had a lot of purpose in his job.

Adam Coleman 01:03:13

He worked in a hospital, and it was taken away from him, and he felt like they took his purpose like he had nothing else.

Adam Coleman 01:03:20

And it was so detrimental to him that he was moments away from killing himself.

Adam Coleman 01:03:30

So his job status was held in limbo for quite some time, and he just became reclusive.

Adam Coleman 01:03:37

And what was really unfortunate at times is that he had a wife and he had a kid.

Adam Coleman 01:03:43

So he's not a single guy by himself.

Adam Coleman 01:03:46

He has a family, and he's just.

Adam Coleman 01:03:49

I know exactly how he feels because he's just going down this pit and he's by himself.

Adam Coleman 01:03:55

And so what I told him was, I understand what you're going through.

Adam Coleman 01:04:00

And I told him about my situation, what I went through.

Adam Coleman 01:04:03

I said, here's my suggestion.

Adam Coleman 01:04:04

And I just asked him, like, let's just start with basics.

Adam Coleman 01:04:09

Are you taking a shower every day?

Adam Coleman 01:04:12

Do you.

Adam Coleman 01:04:13

What?

Adam Coleman 01:04:13

Do you brush your teeth?

Adam Coleman 01:04:15

You know?

Adam Coleman 01:04:15

And he just started telling me, yes, I do this.

Adam Coleman 01:04:18

No, I don't do this.

Adam Coleman 01:04:19

Okay, that thing that you don't do, do that.

Adam Coleman 01:04:24

Just focus on that.

Adam Coleman 01:04:26

Do that, and then move on to the next thing.

Adam Coleman 01:04:30

And I was.

Adam Coleman 01:04:30

I was.

Adam Coleman 01:04:31

What I was essentially trying to tell him is that you have to build up these Ws.

Adam Coleman 01:04:34

Like, when you go that low, you think you're incapable of doing anything, but even the smallest task you accomplish, it feels like the biggest W.

Adam Coleman 01:04:46

And for someone who's never been that low, like, if I told Them to make sure they take out the trash every day.

Adam Coleman 01:04:53

You're like, what's the big deal?

Adam Coleman 01:04:55

I do that all the time.

Adam Coleman 01:04:56

Yeah, but this person does it.

Adam Coleman 01:04:58

Barely cleans up after themselves, nevertheless, takes out the trash.

Adam Coleman 01:05:02

Like, they're so low that they're.

Adam Coleman 01:05:05

That they're not able to do anything.

Adam Coleman 01:05:07

They're unmotivated because they don't think that they can do anything, Even something as simple as take out the trash.

Adam Coleman 01:05:13

And when you convince them to leave enough that they can do just that one task of taking out the trash, then that's a W for them, and then they'll move on to the next task and the next task.

Adam Coleman 01:05:25

So we had that one conversation.

Adam Coleman 01:05:27

I would check it, check on him, like, you know, every few months, you know, on Twitter, you can live.

Adam Coleman 01:05:33

Leave a pinned, you know, DM spot.

Adam Coleman 01:05:37

So I never forgot.

Adam Coleman 01:05:39

So he never got lost in my DMs.

Adam Coleman 01:05:41

And I would occasionally reach out to Master.

Adam Coleman 01:05:43

He's going.

Adam Coleman 01:05:43

He would say he's doing better.

Adam Coleman 01:05:45

About a year later, I think it was about a year later, he sent me a message.

Adam Coleman 01:05:50

He said, hey, I just wanted to let you know I'm back at work.

Adam Coleman 01:05:54

I'm in a different department.

Adam Coleman 01:05:55

I really like what I'm doing now.

Adam Coleman 01:05:58

I want to thank you because that conversation really helped me.

Adam Coleman 01:06:05

And, you know, you were one of the few people who actually I even talked to.

Adam Coleman 01:06:11

Like, he had cut off his family.

Adam Coleman 01:06:12

Like, he wasn't talking to anybody except for people that live with him, and he wanted to thank me for that.

Adam Coleman 01:06:19

I didn't want anything from him.

Adam Coleman 01:06:22

You know, I wasn't even going to talk about it, and I didn't talk about it until he sent me that message, because I.

Adam Coleman 01:06:29

I wanted to use that as an example.

Adam Coleman 01:06:31

Like, if you see someone struggling, like, don't leave them floundering.

Adam Coleman 01:06:35

And I could have very easily just scrolled right past it, but I saw it, and I.

Adam Coleman 01:06:40

And I feel like I was supposed to see that.

Adam Coleman 01:06:43

I'm sure he follows thousands of people, and he could have never seen a tweet, but he did see my tweet, and that prompted him to say something.

Adam Coleman 01:06:51

Something told him to say something, and started that connection where I was able to help him.

Adam Coleman 01:06:57

And me helping him, or not even just helping him, just talking to him.

Adam Coleman 01:07:02

Like, when you're so low that someone talks to you and relates to you and understands where you're coming from is such a big deal, because when you're in that space, you feel so alone.

Adam Coleman 01:07:13

You feel like you're by yourself.

Adam Coleman 01:07:14

And that's what sinks you even deeper.

Adam Coleman 01:07:17

And so, you know, for me to be in a public figure, in that.

Adam Coleman 01:07:22

This particular space where I can positively affect someone, you know, I feel so thankful that.

Adam Coleman 01:07:33

That God gave me this privilege to be in.

Adam Coleman 01:07:41

Yeah.

Will Spencer 01:07:44

It really is a blessing.

Will Spencer 01:07:46

Thank you for that, by the way.

Will Spencer 01:07:47

It really is a blessing to be given, you know, by God, these platforms and to recognize, like, no, this is a gift to have been given this international microphone, the sort of thing that has never existed before in human history.

Will Spencer 01:08:02

Like, you know, and then the question becomes like, what are you going to do with it?

Will Spencer 01:08:07

You, me, anyone?

Will Spencer 01:08:08

Like, what are.

Will Spencer 01:08:08

What are we going to do with this?

Will Spencer 01:08:11

Right.

Will Spencer 01:08:11

Is it going to be an outlet for our fleshly desires, for, you know, for.

Will Spencer 01:08:17

To express our.

Will Spencer 01:08:17

We'll say passions.

Will Spencer 01:08:18

I don't mean that in romantic sense.

Will Spencer 01:08:19

I mean it in the.

Will Spencer 01:08:20

Maybe the fleshly sense.

Will Spencer 01:08:22

Or is it going to be a tool for good?

Will Spencer 01:08:25

Is it going to be a tool for conflict?

Will Spencer 01:08:27

And it's a real test.

Will Spencer 01:08:29

And I think a lot of people aspire to having that level of influence.

Will Spencer 01:08:33

And it's like, I don't know whether we're aspiring to influence or something.

Will Spencer 01:08:37

Is.

Will Spencer 01:08:37

It is in itself a good thing.

Will Spencer 01:08:39

I think these, these tools can only be wielded effectively by people who are like, you know, this is a gift, and I want to handle it respectfully, specifically, so that you can have the presence of mind to connect with a man who reaches out to you in that moment that you can have the presence to say something landed in you right with what they said.

Will Spencer 01:08:58

And then you took an extraordinary measure, which is to reach out to them personally and kind of get involved in their life to some degree.

Will Spencer 01:09:07

Like, that's.

Will Spencer 01:09:08

That's the sort of thing that I think you can probably only do if you have a sensitivity to the.

Will Spencer 01:09:12

To the gift that's been given.

Will Spencer 01:09:14

Because if it's just all about you, then you're just going to steamroll over the thousands of people who are following you.

Will Spencer 01:09:20

But if it's about something bigger than yourself, bigger than ourselves, like, we can be sensitive to the people who are in front of us.

Will Spencer 01:09:26

What a blessing that you had to.

Will Spencer 01:09:28

That man's not only his.

Will Spencer 01:09:30

Himself, but his family, his work, like, you'll never know the impact.

Will Spencer 01:09:35

You'll never have.

Will Spencer 01:09:36

Know the true extent of the impact you had in that man's life.

Adam Coleman 01:10:55

Yeah, you know, even.

Adam Coleman 01:11:00

Even with me talking about my journey in faith, someone had sent me a message privately.

Adam Coleman 01:11:09

I think it's like the day after I posted my Baptism video.

Adam Coleman 01:11:15

And they said, hey, you know, I've been struggling coming to where you're at.

Adam Coleman 01:11:22

I want to, but I've been struggling coming to that point.

Adam Coleman 01:11:27

And I said, can you talk on the phone?

Adam Coleman 01:11:31

So I gave them my numbers to call me.

Adam Coleman 01:11:34

They called me and I talked to them for about an hour.

Adam Coleman 01:11:38

And I just told them, like, here's, here's where I started.

Adam Coleman 01:11:42

Here are the arguments that made sense to me.

Adam Coleman 01:11:47

Here are the experiences that I had in my life.

Adam Coleman 01:11:50

And, you know, check this video out.

Adam Coleman 01:11:53

Like this, like, and understand this.

Adam Coleman 01:11:56

And like, that's how I ended up coming to this point.

Adam Coleman 01:12:01

And I had him understand, like, I came from a point of being agnostic for about a decade to saying, I proclaim Jesus Christ as my savior, something I thought I would never do.

Adam Coleman 01:12:16

So I had that conversation with him and what he funny enough and we could talk about this.

Adam Coleman 01:12:24

I'm really big on near death experiences, the testimonies from people who, who went through that.

Adam Coleman 01:12:32

So that was one of the things I told him.

Adam Coleman 01:12:33

I said, you know, near death experiences and listen to the testimonies, and listen to a whole bunch of them.

Adam Coleman 01:12:40

Was really profound to hear their testimonies.

Adam Coleman 01:12:46

Not just like, oh, I heard one person, but like a series of testimonies and seeing where the overlaps are, reading their mannerisms, are they exaggerating?

Adam Coleman 01:12:58

You know, are they nervous?

Adam Coleman 01:12:59

Like, just like reading the people, trying to see how authentic the stories appear to be based off of how they're telling it, amongst other things.

Adam Coleman 01:13:08

And, you know, I was telling him that.

Adam Coleman 01:13:11

He was like, oh.

Adam Coleman 01:13:11

And you know, I never looked into that.

Adam Coleman 01:13:14

The very next day, he sends me a message and he's like, bro, why did I go on YouTube?

Adam Coleman 01:13:20

And YouTube recommended near death experiences.

Will Spencer 01:13:24

I was like, they're always listening.

Adam Coleman 01:13:27

Yeah, either the algorithm, guess you're talking to me.

Adam Coleman 01:13:31

So I don't know, but I just thought that was funny.

Adam Coleman 01:13:37

I don't know, it was divine intervention or whatever it was.

Adam Coleman 01:13:41

But just the fact that I was able to have that conversation because I was open enough to talk about what I was going through.

Adam Coleman 01:13:50

You know, I haven't talked to him privately in a minute and in probably a couple months.

Adam Coleman 01:13:56

But, you know, maybe that was a catalyst for him to come to Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:14:02

And so I just try to think about that.

Adam Coleman 01:14:04

And that's just one person who reached out to me who wasn't even sure if I would respond to him.

Adam Coleman 01:14:09

Who knows how many people have seen my videos, have read my story, has thought about what I said about coming to Christ, that Actually brings them closer to Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:14:21

You know, who's seen my journey?

Adam Coleman 01:14:22

Even someone like Russell Brand.

Adam Coleman 01:14:24

How many people does Russell Brandt have connection to from a distance who listen to what he says and listens to his arguments and why he came to the conclusion that he able to help bring closer to Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:14:39

So I mean, you know, anything can be corrupted.

Adam Coleman 01:14:44

You know, your, your public Persona can be corrupted, so you become self indulging and narcissistic or you can use that same public perception to help other people and sacrifice a little bit of your time to help someone that you don't even know.

Will Spencer 01:15:03

Amen.

Will Spencer 01:15:04

Amen.

Will Spencer 01:15:04

So when you were coming to faith, which I gather was happening 2020 around the George Floyd kind of things, what were some of the arguments that persuaded you out of agnosticism?

Adam Coleman 01:15:17

So reading the book.

Adam Coleman 01:15:19

So for people who haven't read the book, there's a lot of storytelling, I know a lot of personal stories and lessons from stories.

Adam Coleman 01:15:28

And when you do stuff like that, you come very retrospective.

Adam Coleman 01:15:34

You start thinking about all these different things.

Adam Coleman 01:15:36

And you know, I had a childhood trauma.

Adam Coleman 01:15:39

I had unfortunate stuff that happened to me as an adult and what I started thinking about those moments where things weren't good but something happened to keep it from being worse.

Adam Coleman 01:15:55

So I think sometimes people think like, oh, well, things were going bad and then suddenly something rescued me.

Adam Coleman 01:16:02

Everything was okay.

Adam Coleman 01:16:04

But for me, the times that I think about, we're not necessarily like, I'll just give an example.

Adam Coleman 01:16:17

Not getting into the whole backstory.

Adam Coleman 01:16:19

This is a little bit long.

Adam Coleman 01:16:20

I moved from New Jersey to Tennessee and I thought I had a place to stay.

Adam Coleman 01:16:27

Come to find out the person had lied to me that I was supposed to stay with.

Adam Coleman 01:16:32

The good thing was I had a job that I already got hired for.

Adam Coleman 01:16:38

I came there on a Friday and I was starting the job on a Monday and.

Adam Coleman 01:16:45

But had no place to stay.

Adam Coleman 01:16:46

There was a guy I happened to know in Alabama.

Adam Coleman 01:16:48

He let me stay at his place for the weekend.

Adam Coleman 01:16:50

But Monday came around and I know where to stay.

Adam Coleman 01:16:54

I went to work and my new boss obviously knew that was coming from New Jersey.

Adam Coleman 01:16:59

He's like, so how's everything going?

Adam Coleman 01:17:02

And my instinct is always like, oh, it's fine because it's my problem.

Adam Coleman 01:17:05

I got to deal with it.

Adam Coleman 01:17:06

But I told him the truth and I don't know why I told him the truth.

Adam Coleman 01:17:13

Normally I would just lie and just kind of deal with it and just wallowing, whatever.

Adam Coleman 01:17:16

But I told him the truth.

Adam Coleman 01:17:18

And a couple hours later he pulled me to the side and he Said, hey, the supervisors and myself are pulling our money together to put you in a hotel room so you have enough money to buy to get your own place.

Will Spencer 01:17:34

Praise God.

Adam Coleman 01:17:36

We don't want anything.

Adam Coleman 01:17:38

And let me tell you, you want to motivate someone to work really hard.

Adam Coleman 01:17:43

I was like, man, yeah, I will.

Adam Coleman 01:17:46

They're like, can you work overtime?

Adam Coleman 01:17:47

I will do whatever overtime you want.

Adam Coleman 01:17:50

I didn't care.

Adam Coleman 01:17:51

That's right, I will do whatever.

Adam Coleman 01:17:53

I was a model employee the entire time I was there because I was just so thankful that they did that.

Adam Coleman 01:17:59

And they did that for, I want to say, almost a month and a half.

Adam Coleman 01:18:04

We have these weekly hotels that were relatively cheap in Nashville at the time, but they pulled their money together, put me in these hotels.

Adam Coleman 01:18:13

I had gotten a few checks at that point and I got a one bedroom apartment for 500 bucks.

Adam Coleman 01:18:22

It was really cheap at the time.

Adam Coleman 01:18:23

It was 500 bucks a month.

Adam Coleman 01:18:25

No deposit.

Adam Coleman 01:18:26

So I was finally able to get in there.

Adam Coleman 01:18:28

No furniture, but I was in shelter.

Adam Coleman 01:18:33

Yeah, yeah.

Adam Coleman 01:18:36

But I think about moments like that.

Adam Coleman 01:18:38

They didn't give me money to get in an apartment.

Adam Coleman 01:18:42

They gave me money.

Adam Coleman 01:18:42

So I just had enough shelter.

Adam Coleman 01:18:45

Right.

Adam Coleman 01:18:47

And I was able to earn money along the way so I can feed myself.

Adam Coleman 01:18:51

And they helped me at the shelter.

Adam Coleman 01:18:54

So they didn't completely rescue me, but they did something on the goodness of their heart.

Adam Coleman 01:18:58

And they don't even know me.

Adam Coleman 01:19:00

That's the other part.

Adam Coleman 01:19:00

It's not like been there for years and like Adam's on hard times.

Adam Coleman 01:19:04

They didn't know me.

Adam Coleman 01:19:05

I was quite literally a stranger.

Adam Coleman 01:19:06

It was the first day they even knew I existed in person.

Adam Coleman 01:19:10

And so, you know, I think about stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 01:19:14

It would prompt these people to help me like that because they didn't have to.

Adam Coleman 01:19:20

Especially be one thing if that manager on the side said, I'm going to help you.

Adam Coleman 01:19:27

But they all pulled their money together and wanted to sacrifice to help me.

Adam Coleman 01:19:33

And they didn't know me.

Adam Coleman 01:19:35

And I.

Adam Coleman 01:19:35

And I know some of them were Christians.

Adam Coleman 01:19:38

And so I just, I just think about, I think about stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 01:19:42

What prompt people to go above and beyond for someone they don't even know, you know?

Adam Coleman 01:19:50

So it's.

Adam Coleman 01:19:51

It's moments like that when I was being retrospective of my life that I was like, something's there.

Adam Coleman 01:19:59

I didn't experience with the Holy Ghost.

Adam Coleman 01:20:06

I didn't know it was the Holy Ghost at the time.

Adam Coleman 01:20:08

I just knew the feeling that I experienced about getting too long into it.

Adam Coleman 01:20:15

My, My great.

Adam Coleman 01:20:17

I'm sorry, my grand aunt, my My grandfather's sister.

Adam Coleman 01:20:21

She was like my grandmother to me.

Adam Coleman 01:20:23

My actual grandmother had died when I was very young.

Adam Coleman 01:20:28

She passed away.

Adam Coleman 01:20:30

I saw her because she had left hospice and she was in terrible condition.

Adam Coleman 01:20:35

And I saw her and she was in a lot of pain.

Adam Coleman 01:20:39

I left that night.

Adam Coleman 01:20:40

The next morning I got a call that she had passed away.

Adam Coleman 01:20:44

And I was very distraught.

Adam Coleman 01:20:47

It was probably the saddest I've been about someone, someone that I lost.

Adam Coleman 01:20:55

And they were.

Adam Coleman 01:20:56

I'm in New Jersey, they're in Massachusetts.

Adam Coleman 01:21:00

The family asked me to be a pallbearer and I said yes.

Adam Coleman 01:21:06

So I went to the funeral.

Adam Coleman 01:21:08

I'm trying to keep together because I don't like crying in front of people, but I'm trying to keep it together.

Adam Coleman 01:21:15

And I'm kind of like, to the point where I'm like.

Adam Coleman 01:21:18

I'm thinking myself, after this is over, I'm just.

Adam Coleman 01:21:20

I'm just gonna go home, my place, because I don't.

Adam Coleman 01:21:23

I don't want to be around anybody.

Adam Coleman 01:21:26

And I make it to the grave site.

Adam Coleman 01:21:30

I get out of the car and the.

Adam Coleman 01:21:35

Actually my cousin's pastor.

Adam Coleman 01:21:37

Pastor was read something and then got cued to come over to lift the casket.

Adam Coleman 01:21:45

And in my head I'm thinking, oh, man, this.

Adam Coleman 01:21:47

It's going to be floodgates now, man.

Adam Coleman 01:21:50

And I put my hand on the casket and I felt this overwhelming sense that she's okay.

Adam Coleman 01:21:59

Like, it's just.

Adam Coleman 01:22:01

And I said, what the f.

Adam Coleman 01:22:03

Was that?

Adam Coleman 01:22:04

From that moment, for the entire time I was there, I did not cry anymore.

Adam Coleman 01:22:11

Like, I knew in my soul that she was fine.

Adam Coleman 01:22:14

Now I'm crying, but yeah, I knew that.

Adam Coleman 01:22:26

I knew that she was fine.

Adam Coleman 01:22:28

And, ah, that's why I tell the story.

Will Spencer 01:22:37

It's okay.

Will Spencer 01:22:38

Take your time.

Adam Coleman 01:22:42

So when I go back in time and I think about that, I'm like, how do I explain that?

Adam Coleman 01:22:50

You know, I just.

Adam Coleman 01:22:51

I just set up as far as I'm distraught, I want to go home, be alone and just cry out and just deal with it and putting my hand or casket and just overwhelmingly, I didn't talk myself into that.

Adam Coleman 01:23:07

I didn't.

Adam Coleman 01:23:08

That wasn't me.

Adam Coleman 01:23:09

That was something else.

Adam Coleman 01:23:12

So, you know, that was.

Adam Coleman 01:23:14

That was like, I tell that story in the book, so that's when people understand.

Adam Coleman 01:23:20

Like, I'm coming from a place where I'm not even sure if there's God.

Adam Coleman 01:23:25

But in the book, I came to a point, as I'm being in perspective to saying that there is God and not fully understand even as I tell that story, that it's it's the, it's the Holy Ghost that touched me.

Adam Coleman 01:23:44

But you know, just explaining as, like, I felt like there's a higher power that, that blessed me with getting rid of that, that grief because that was one of the best, because I have.

Will Spencer 01:24:19

Oh.

Adam Coleman 01:24:22

It'S okay.

Will Spencer 01:24:23

I get it.

Adam Coleman 01:24:27

So that was, that was the weekend of the first Black Panther movie came out.

Adam Coleman 01:24:41

And all this as a family, like it was just nothing but celebration.

Adam Coleman 01:24:48

It was so nice.

Adam Coleman 01:24:52

And you know, if I didn't have that happen, so, yeah, if I didn't have happen, I wouldn't miss out on all that.

Adam Coleman 01:25:20

So, yeah, there's.

Adam Coleman 01:25:28

There's so much more.

Adam Coleman 01:25:30

There's so much more that I can get into.

Will Spencer 01:25:35

Well, thank you for letting all of us into that moment.

Will Spencer 01:25:39

I can feel the impact that it had on you.

Will Spencer 01:25:42

And I can imagine coming from an agnostic framework, to put your hand on the casket and suddenly feel the sense of peace.

Will Spencer 01:25:53

And essentially what you're feeling is she's in a better place, she's okay.

Will Spencer 01:25:57

And you're being confronted in a very real, visceral, emotional, felt sense way about the reality of eternity in a way that you didn't expect.

Will Spencer 01:26:05

You expected to be grieving her loss, but instead it was almost maybe somewhere in there you felt a sense of celebration.

Will Spencer 01:26:15

Like this wasn't something to be sad about, this was something to be happy about.

Will Spencer 01:26:19

And then you got to enjoy.

Will Spencer 01:26:21

Amazing.

Adam Coleman 01:26:23

And that's where like the near death experience testimonies were like really profound that I started getting into the past.

Adam Coleman 01:26:33

Was it six or so months?

Adam Coleman 01:26:35

Six, eight months?

Adam Coleman 01:26:37

Especially since the beginning of this year was the how people explained how Christ, how Christ walked away all of their grief, all their insecurities.

Adam Coleman 01:26:56

The afterlife removed all of the earthly pain, you know, the insecurities, the jealousy, all that stuff, the worry, all of that was gone.

Adam Coleman 01:27:12

People who had stories of being healed, and these are people, so people understand, these are people who are clinically dead.

Adam Coleman 01:27:21

So, you know, these aren't.

Adam Coleman 01:27:24

I had a dream and I woke up.

Adam Coleman 01:27:27

These are people who are clinically dead, sometimes for minutes, sometimes for hours, who come back and have such a profound experience.

Adam Coleman 01:27:38

But you know, a story that there's common stories that happen where Price, either Jesus himself or God wipes away their grief.

Adam Coleman 01:27:54

You know, people who go into the afterlife who are grieving the loss of something, the loss of someone especially, and before they go back, he wipes away their grief.

Adam Coleman 01:28:09

And like that, that type of stuff is like, man, that's.

Adam Coleman 01:28:13

It's so profound.

Adam Coleman 01:28:16

And the more I understand about Jesus Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:28:19

That's really profound for me is he's the only God that has suffered in human form.

Adam Coleman 01:28:29

And so he's the most relatable and he understands, you know, and that's why it gets.

Adam Coleman 01:28:36

I get frustrated with lack of understanding what people are going through, the lack of empathy.

Adam Coleman 01:28:43

And it's like we were taught the born again situation.

Adam Coleman 01:28:49

I said, man, there's so many people like former drug addicts, like Russell Ben, former drug addict.

Adam Coleman 01:28:55

You know, just all these people who are just suffered.

Adam Coleman 01:28:59

And you know, it reminds me of in the Bible, why they were questioning why Jesus Christ is around.

Adam Coleman 01:29:05

You know, the prostitutes, you know, tax collectors and all these people.

Adam Coleman 01:29:09

He says they need me more.

Adam Coleman 01:29:11

Right.

Adam Coleman 01:29:12

He didn't remove himself from them.

Adam Coleman 01:29:13

He came close to them.

Adam Coleman 01:29:15

He understands.

Adam Coleman 01:29:17

He understands how difficult this life is, which is why he says, you know, to.

Adam Coleman 01:29:23

I'm probably going to butcher, but like to.

Adam Coleman 01:29:25

To put on all your anxiety onto him, all your burdens on him, you know.

Adam Coleman 01:29:31

And so when I hear these stories of them having that experience of seeing Jesus Christ and he taking the burden off of them and onto himself so they can come back this earth and move forward with the rest of their purpose of being here.

Adam Coleman 01:29:53

Listen, someone could be lying.

Adam Coleman 01:29:56

Anybody can be lying.

Adam Coleman 01:29:58

But I have a hard time believing that thousands upon thousands of people tell their testimonies who have nothing to gain from it.

Adam Coleman 01:30:13

Most of these people.

Adam Coleman 01:30:14

Very rarely are any of these people writing books about their experience or anything like that.

Adam Coleman 01:30:19

And even if they did, it doesn't mean they're lying.

Adam Coleman 01:30:23

Most of them are hesitant to even talk about their stories.

Adam Coleman 01:30:26

And not all of them are stories of going to heaven and seeing Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:30:31

Many of them are experiencing what it's like going to hell and coming back.

Adam Coleman 01:30:38

Even those stories were profound because for many of them, as they're falling in this pit of darkness, it's the blackest black that they've ever seen where they can't see their hand in front of their face is so black and they are able to call out Jesus name and light opens and he pulls them out of the pit.

Adam Coleman 01:31:05

You know, it's that kind of profound understanding.

Adam Coleman 01:31:09

And so people hear these stories.

Adam Coleman 01:31:11

These aren't dreams.

Adam Coleman 01:31:13

These are nightmares.

Adam Coleman 01:31:15

These are circumstances of people who are actually dead where people can't explain how this person is still alive, where they come back and they're healed, you know, So I.

Adam Coleman 01:31:30

I think there's just so much that is there.

Adam Coleman 01:31:32

Have you seen one where there's possibly someone lying?

Adam Coleman 01:31:35

Sure, you can account for that, but man, Not.

Adam Coleman 01:31:39

Not thousands upon thousands of people who have nothing to gain from it.

Adam Coleman 01:31:43

And when you look, when you watch people long enough, you can generally.

Adam Coleman 01:31:47

Generally tell someone who is lying, who's acting, who's embellishing.

Adam Coleman 01:31:53

And the vast majority of these people, just like I was telling you my story with my.

Adam Coleman 01:31:59

With my granddaughter, and I, you know, it's coming from hard, and I'm crying.

Adam Coleman 01:32:03

I'm watching these people go through the same experience, you know, and doing this, and they're not public figures, you know, they have nothing to gain from this.

Adam Coleman 01:32:13

They just want to share their story.

Adam Coleman 01:32:15

And hopefully people understand why they changed their entire life.

Adam Coleman 01:32:20

They switched from being a Muslim to a Christian, right after this experience, they were confronted with so many different things, changed professions, changed everything, and came to Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:32:32

Like, there's a reason why.

Adam Coleman 01:32:33

So, yeah, I think these ND experiences are far, far more profound than people give them.

Will Spencer 01:32:44

Mm.

Will Spencer 01:32:45

Yeah.

Will Spencer 01:32:45

And that the.

Will Spencer 01:32:46

The total life change is the real.

Will Spencer 01:32:49

Is the real testimony, right?

Will Spencer 01:32:51

That's the shift that, like, I had this experience, right.

Will Spencer 01:32:55

And it touched me in a deep, emotional way, and I realized I have to change my life.

Will Spencer 01:33:01

And then you change your life, right.

Will Spencer 01:33:04

That is the surest testimony of the gospel of Christ.

Will Spencer 01:33:08

To see sinners saved.

Will Spencer 01:33:11

Right.

Will Spencer 01:33:11

And to see that pattern happen over and over again, and also for it almost to be, in some sense, kind of effortless.

Will Spencer 01:33:19

Right?

Will Spencer 01:33:19

So I spent a long time in the new age doing a lot of inner healing stuff, you know, not just therapy, but a bunch of other stuff, turning myself inside out to try and grieve and grow and know, spiritually evolve, et cetera.

Will Spencer 01:33:30

I mean, that was a big part of my life, a big part of why I traveled and since coming to Christ in the past four years, the growth in the same sense, I don't want to say it's been effortless, because that's not the right word, but the growth has come very naturally.

Will Spencer 01:33:43

It's required letting a lot of things go, but just opening my hands and just feeling the growth happen.

Will Spencer 01:33:48

What I fought and, you know, and suffered for, a small little morsel of growth is given so freely by the Holy Spirit and in Christ that it's like, what was I ever doing messing around with all that stuff, except perhaps to show me, by contrast, you know, like, there's the hard way.

Will Spencer 01:34:07

Sure, do it the hard way.

Will Spencer 01:34:08

See if you get anywhere versus the easy way.

Will Spencer 01:34:11

And that's the thing.

Will Spencer 01:34:13

Like, just last week I had someone asked me, he said, you know, you've been through so many different phases of different Religions, religions and spiritual traditions.

Will Spencer 01:34:24

Like, how do you know this isn't just another phase?

Will Spencer 01:34:27

And he was asking in good faith.

Will Spencer 01:34:28

Like, he was, he was essentially testing my profession of faith.

Will Spencer 01:34:31

And he had every right to in the situation.

Will Spencer 01:34:32

So I didn't, he didn't like, just walk up to me and say, hey bro, I have a question for you.

Will Spencer 01:34:36

I would have fielded that too.

Will Spencer 01:34:37

But like, I understand why he was asking because it's like we have something precious here that we want to protect and we want to make sure that you're as sincere about it as we are.

Will Spencer 01:34:48

And so I appreciate that skepticism and like there, it needs to be suffused with grace.

Will Spencer 01:34:54

It needs to be like, no, I genuinely want to know you and hear who you are.

Will Spencer 01:34:58

I want to believe that what you have to say is true.

Will Spencer 01:35:00

But like, I want it to be true.

Will Spencer 01:35:02

Not for my sake.

Will Spencer 01:35:03

I want it to be true for your sake.

Will Spencer 01:35:05

That's what he's saying to me.

Will Spencer 01:35:06

And so, and so I appreciate it.

Will Spencer 01:35:08

I have always appreciated that pushback on me.

Will Spencer 01:35:11

Like, please ask me questions, like, I will tell you about the guy that I was.

Will Spencer 01:35:15

I remember being dead.

Will Spencer 01:35:16

I can describe to you what it's like to be dead.

Will Spencer 01:35:18

And so it's, it's a, it's to hear the story of how it impacted you and how it impacted this person with the near death experience.

Will Spencer 01:35:24

It's like, yes, this is real.

Will Spencer 01:35:27

And so to meet people inside the church who grew up in the church who don't have experience, like, look at what you have.

Will Spencer 01:35:33

Take it seriously.

Adam Coleman 01:35:36

Yeah, that, that's, that's, that's so it.

Adam Coleman 01:35:41

Just take it seriously and cherish it.

Adam Coleman 01:35:45

You know, the.

Adam Coleman 01:35:48

I cherish, I cherish where I'm at and I cherish our Savior, Jesus Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:35:56

Even more so because, you know, I keep going back to struggle and suffering.

Adam Coleman 01:36:03

And for many years when I suffered, I didn't understand why I had to go through that, you know, because the way we talk about a culture is like, suffering is only bad, right?

Adam Coleman 01:36:22

And then there are some cultures, you, suffering is a result of a previous life or something like that, but suffering is always bad.

Adam Coleman 01:36:34

And so if you're right and if you're, if you're succeeding, what's always good, right?

Adam Coleman 01:36:40

Success is always good.

Adam Coleman 01:36:41

The scientists who said always having money is good.

Adam Coleman 01:36:44

Well, if that's the case, then how come there are millionaires who kill themselves?

Will Spencer 01:36:49

That's right.

Adam Coleman 01:36:50

And how come there are people who don't have very much who are happy and joyful, right?

Adam Coleman 01:36:57

But even more so to the struggle.

Adam Coleman 01:37:00

Like, there's purpose in struggle.

Adam Coleman 01:37:02

And like, obvious.

Adam Coleman 01:37:03

The most obvious example of that is Jesus Christ literally suffering for our sins.

Adam Coleman 01:37:10

There was purpose for him to do that.

Adam Coleman 01:37:12

What he did was a sacrifice, and it was positive.

Adam Coleman 01:37:16

There was a lesson to be learned from it.

Adam Coleman 01:37:18

And it was something that was necessary, and it was positive to do.

Adam Coleman 01:37:22

And so his struggle, there was a point for it.

Adam Coleman 01:37:25

And what I started realizing as well was that there's a point for my struggling.

Adam Coleman 01:37:31

The reason I'm not very afraid of, you know, online haters or cancer mobs is because I suffered.

Adam Coleman 01:37:40

It's because I went through all these different things, and I'm okay.

Adam Coleman 01:37:43

I'm okay with that.

Adam Coleman 01:37:45

And now I have an opportunity, because I've been very fortunate.

Adam Coleman 01:37:50

I have an opportunity to use my struggle as a lesson for other people to understand.

Adam Coleman 01:37:57

I can use my struggle to relate to other people who are struggling, to help them pull themselves out, even if it's just one person.

Adam Coleman 01:38:05

I can.

Adam Coleman 01:38:06

I can use.

Adam Coleman 01:38:07

I can use my story in a positive light, just in the same way we use other people's stories in a positive light.

Adam Coleman 01:38:16

And so, you know, I don't.

Adam Coleman 01:38:19

I don't regret anything that I went through.

Adam Coleman 01:38:21

I don't regret being homeless.

Adam Coleman 01:38:23

I don't regret my father not being in my life.

Adam Coleman 01:38:26

You know, I don't regret any of this stuff.

Adam Coleman 01:38:28

I can't change any of it.

Adam Coleman 01:38:30

I'm not resentful.

Adam Coleman 01:38:32

I'm not angry.

Adam Coleman 01:38:33

I'm not.

Adam Coleman 01:38:33

None of these things.

Adam Coleman 01:38:36

I am here.

Adam Coleman 01:38:37

And the only thing I can do is use, excuse me, use the parts where I suffered and struggled to try to help somebody else and learn something from it and appreciate things.

Adam Coleman 01:38:54

I've been homeless three times in my life.

Adam Coleman 01:38:56

You know, I named one of the times, you know, where people had to pay for me to stay in a hotel.

Adam Coleman 01:39:01

I was homeless twice as a kid.

Adam Coleman 01:39:03

Stayed in a homeless shelter once and, you know, stay with some strangers another time a stranger in a.

Adam Coleman 01:39:11

And a trailer.

Adam Coleman 01:39:13

And I know what it's like to feel insecure about where you live.

Adam Coleman 01:39:18

I always like to have no job and struggling to find employment.

Adam Coleman 01:39:23

Like, I know all that stuff.

Adam Coleman 01:39:25

And here I am sitting with you with thousands of dollars in computer and camera setup sitting in front of me, and I can pay my bills, and I drive a functioning vehicle, and I have a loving wife, you know, like, so I went through all those things to appreciate, to really appreciate.

Adam Coleman 01:39:46

Obviously, I didn't have to go through all that to appreciate stuff, but it just adds to another level where I can't Take things for granted.

Adam Coleman 01:39:53

I just can't.

Adam Coleman 01:39:55

You know, it's why I have a hard time setting high expectations for this and that.

Adam Coleman 01:39:59

It's like, man the lows that I've come from.

Adam Coleman 01:40:02

Like, I'm just so happy to be here.

Adam Coleman 01:40:05

Right.

Adam Coleman 01:40:06

I just.

Adam Coleman 01:40:06

Doing the best that I can to go as far as I possibly can, but I know that there's going to be a cap and there's going to be a moment where I have to do something else.

Adam Coleman 01:40:15

So I'm still thankful to be here.

Adam Coleman 01:40:18

If tomorrow no one cares about what I have to say, then I'll deal with that and I'll move on and I'll figure it out.

Adam Coleman 01:40:24

And even more so, I have Christ by my side and I'll be okay.

Adam Coleman 01:40:30

So, you know, I think, I think it's really important to be thankful.

Adam Coleman 01:40:35

Obviously you don't have to lose everything to be thankful for what you have, but I just wish people were more introspective about the reality of their life.

Will Spencer 01:40:49

Yeah, there's in sort of secular culture, there's a big sort of gratitude, thankfulness kind of movement that's happening, but it's not Christ centric.

Will Spencer 01:40:58

So like, who are you, who are you giving?

Will Spencer 01:41:00

Who are you thanking for all these things?

Will Spencer 01:41:02

I read, there's something that I read online couple, couple weeks ago.

Will Spencer 01:41:07

It's been kind of living rent free in my head, and it said, you know, if, if, if everything that you didn't say give thanks for this week were taken away tomorrow, right?

Will Spencer 01:41:20

Like, like think of, think of all the things in your most recent prayer that you didn't give thanks for.

Will Spencer 01:41:23

Imagine that they'll be taken away tomorrow.

Will Spencer 01:41:25

And I was like, oh my gosh, how many things am I not giving thankful thanks for?

Will Spencer 01:41:29

You know, sitting down, making myself breakfast, like, you know, the, the blood in my veins, the air in my lungs, the food on my plate, the, the power, you know, the safety, the health, all of these different things.

Will Spencer 01:41:39

Recognizing the overwhelming bounty of life that, that I, that I've been given in that moment that we've been given.

Will Spencer 01:41:46

Right.

Will Spencer 01:41:46

Of course.

Will Spencer 01:41:47

And there are other people that don't have those things right.

Will Spencer 01:41:49

For, for various, for various reasons.

Will Spencer 01:41:51

And so to recognize.

Will Spencer 01:41:53

And this ties into the, the conversation about travel in America.

Will Spencer 01:41:57

And this ties into the conversation about, about, you know, recognizing the good of growing up inside the church on like, being told what the faith and the straight and narrow is as opposed to having to find it later in life.

Will Spencer 01:42:09

Like these overwhelming bounties that so many of us have and yet we have A culture that catechizes us in want and need and desire.

Will Spencer 01:42:18

And so it seems like no matter, no matter how many blessings we have showering around us inside America right now, almost no matter where we are, that there's always this, but I gotta have more.

Will Spencer 01:42:28

It's like, well, are you properly giving thanks for what you have now?

Will Spencer 01:42:32

That's good and also what's bad?

Will Spencer 01:42:34

And that's the part that I love about what you said.

Will Spencer 01:42:37

And I want to read, of course, the famous passage, if I May, just Romans 8, 28, 29.

Will Spencer 01:42:42

And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good.

Will Spencer 01:42:45

For those who are called according to his purpose, for those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Will Spencer 01:42:57

So the suffering that we experience, the hard things that we go through conform us to the image of Christ.

Will Spencer 01:43:02

It's not meaningless suffering, right?

Will Spencer 01:43:04

It's all turned to this ultimate highest good and like, hallelujah.

Will Spencer 01:43:10

Right?

Will Spencer 01:43:10

And so that's, that's, that's.

Will Spencer 01:43:12

That's the gift of being able to look at the long roads that any of us, you and I in this case, have walked to come to Christ and to recognize, like, I have this.

Will Spencer 01:43:21

I'm good.

Will Spencer 01:43:22

Serving in this way against the online haters, against the difficulties that come with being a public person, the difficulties of being questioned and challenged.

Will Spencer 01:43:32

Like, yes, I know what it took to get here, so I'm okay being asked these questions and being subjected to scrutiny if it's done with grace, but sometimes it isn't.

Will Spencer 01:43:42

So you don't have control over that anyway.

Adam Coleman 01:43:44

Yeah, I don't most of the time.

Adam Coleman 01:43:46

It's not dumb and Greece, if I'm honest with you.

Will Spencer 01:43:49

That's right.

Adam Coleman 01:43:50

That's very.

Adam Coleman 01:43:52

Everything these days is very deaf of grace, so.

Adam Coleman 01:43:58

But it's okay.

Adam Coleman 01:43:59

It's okay.

Adam Coleman 01:44:00

Like, I just wish there was more grace for other people, not necessarily for myself.

Adam Coleman 01:44:08

I wish there was more understanding of what other people are going through.

Adam Coleman 01:44:13

No, I think sometimes.

Adam Coleman 01:44:16

I think sometimes people carve out.

Will Spencer 01:44:20

Part.

Adam Coleman 01:44:21

Of what it means to be a Christian and ignore the other parts.

Adam Coleman 01:44:26

Some people want to be, you know, Jesus Christ turned over tables.

Adam Coleman 01:44:32

They want to be that Christian.

Adam Coleman 01:44:34

Right?

Adam Coleman 01:44:34

Ah, you know, tell how it is.

Adam Coleman 01:44:36

And then there are other people who just paint Jesus Christ as this hippie dippy guy who just accepted everyone, and you're all wonderful.

Adam Coleman 01:44:46

And it's like, well, no, it's.

Adam Coleman 01:44:49

It's both in more Right.

Adam Coleman 01:44:53

There's an understanding that he is just, he's also gracious, he's understanding, but he still has rules.

Adam Coleman 01:45:05

Right.

Adam Coleman 01:45:06

Like there's a balance.

Adam Coleman 01:45:07

And actually if I can go back a little bit, you made me think about something.

Adam Coleman 01:45:13

You're talking about how it feels effortless and.

Adam Coleman 01:45:18

But I know what you mean comparatively.

Adam Coleman 01:45:20

Right, okay, but I know what you mean.

Adam Coleman 01:45:22

I think the word I would use is that it feels natural.

Will Spencer 01:45:28

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 01:45:29

And that's.

Adam Coleman 01:45:33

I had somebody tell me like I was already, I was already acting Christ like without realizing I was acting Christ like because I started doing things that felt natural.

Adam Coleman 01:45:42

Like I started listening to myself like when I started traveling and I got rid of that social anxiety which is, it's like a wall that prevents you from trusting yourself and listening to yourself.

Adam Coleman 01:45:55

When you stick your yourself somewhere that you have no, know nothing about, you have no choice but to listen to yourself and to talk to yourself and to trust yourself.

Adam Coleman 01:46:05

And that inner voice is not just my voice.

Adam Coleman 01:46:08

Yeah, it, it's God has also helped to, to guide me and that's that, that like a God given instinct, you know.

Adam Coleman 01:46:17

And so when I'm meeting someone and I'm like, something's not right about this person.

Adam Coleman 01:46:23

I have no information other than my instinct.

Adam Coleman 01:46:26

I need to stay away from this person or I need to go towards this person.

Adam Coleman 01:46:30

There's something about this person I need to go towards.

Adam Coleman 01:46:33

And I started listening to that not just occasionally, but all the time.

Adam Coleman 01:46:39

And every time since I tried to stretch like, well, you know, I tried to make excuses for someone or something, it always bit in the ass every single time.

Adam Coleman 01:46:51

And it's like, lesson learned once again.

Adam Coleman 01:46:54

My instincts are 100 correct.

Adam Coleman 01:46:58

And so, you know, coming to that and listening to my instincts and, and once you start doing that, your instincts are natural, Everything just feels natural.

Adam Coleman 01:47:10

Like I have a friend who's a theologian, she's a theologian and a journalist.

Adam Coleman 01:47:19

And our first conversation, she was, she was interviewing me for a Dutch newspaper that she was working for.

Adam Coleman 01:47:27

She's.

Adam Coleman 01:47:27

She read something that I wrote.

Adam Coleman 01:47:29

She's based in Netherlands and she wanted to interview me for the.

Adam Coleman 01:47:32

Their paper.

Adam Coleman 01:47:35

Excuse me.

Adam Coleman 01:47:37

And we had this like this first time ever talking.

Adam Coleman 01:47:40

We just had this really comfortable understanding conversation.

Adam Coleman 01:47:48

And she told me after that, towards the end of that conversation, she said, you know, you're the most Christ like person I've talked to in a long time.

Adam Coleman 01:47:58

Now this is before I like completely, you know, proclaimed my love to Christ.

Adam Coleman 01:48:03

But I was being slowly like introduced to different Christians and I was becoming more and more open to it.

Adam Coleman 01:48:10

And, you know, she.

Adam Coleman 01:48:13

We're still friends.

Adam Coleman 01:48:15

And she told me.

Adam Coleman 01:48:17

What I mean by that is it's coming natural to you because you're listening to yourself.

Adam Coleman 01:48:23

You know, it's just very natural.

Adam Coleman 01:48:25

So when I go to her and I say, biblically, what is this?

Adam Coleman 01:48:29

And she tells me, I said, that's what I thought.

Adam Coleman 01:48:32

And it's because, yeah, my instincts are telling me, like, this is right or this is wrong.

Adam Coleman 01:48:37

Like, obviously there's a.

Adam Coleman 01:48:39

There's a biblical text that.

Adam Coleman 01:48:40

That explains in detail and we should understand these things.

Adam Coleman 01:48:44

But every time I read a piece of text, I'm like, well, yeah, that makes sense.

Adam Coleman 01:48:50

Like, to me, it just.

Adam Coleman 01:48:51

It just seems natural.

Adam Coleman 01:48:52

It makes sense.

Adam Coleman 01:48:53

And then when I hear texts from other face about very specific things, it seems like they're trying to convince you to do something that is not natural.

Adam Coleman 01:49:03

Well, in this circumstance, it is.

Adam Coleman 01:49:06

I was like, wait, whenever I read the Christian faith, it is never circumstantial.

Adam Coleman 01:49:11

It is never thou shall not kill.

Adam Coleman 01:49:13

Unless it's like, well, it's just.

Adam Coleman 01:49:16

That's.

Adam Coleman 01:49:16

That's what they.

Adam Coleman 01:49:18

Yeah, there's an asterisk next to it.

Adam Coleman 01:49:20

You know, it's.

Adam Coleman 01:49:23

It's like, that's.

Adam Coleman 01:49:24

That's the part where I'm like, well, yeah, like, this is.

Adam Coleman 01:49:29

This is.

Adam Coleman 01:49:30

Everything about this is very much so natural.

Adam Coleman 01:49:34

And if something is natural, it feels effortless.

Adam Coleman 01:49:37

Like, I don't have to try very hard.

Adam Coleman 01:49:41

And I've always.

Adam Coleman 01:49:42

I've always had a strong sense of guilt.

Adam Coleman 01:49:44

Like, I know that I can't.

Adam Coleman 01:49:46

I can't do certain things because I feel so guilty.

Adam Coleman 01:49:50

And I've always been like that.

Adam Coleman 01:49:52

I used to call it a curse because, you know, you see your friends doing certain things, you're like, oh, I wish I could do that.

Adam Coleman 01:49:57

I wish I could go here, do that, and not feel bad about it.

Adam Coleman 01:50:02

But now I'm like, man, it's a real blessing because it's like, it steers me in the right direction.

Adam Coleman 01:50:08

And now that I have my.

Adam Coleman 01:50:09

My sense of.

Adam Coleman 01:50:11

Strong sense of what's moral and border, like, what's.

Adam Coleman 01:50:17

What's guarding, that is knowing that I will feel such a strong sense of guilt that I have no choice but to rectify what I just did.

Adam Coleman 01:50:27

Like, and that helps to keep me in line understanding that if I listen to my instincts, my moral compass is on point 100 of the time.

Adam Coleman 01:50:38

That's God given.

Adam Coleman 01:50:39

So every.

Adam Coleman 01:50:40

Everything about this, it feels so natural and normal that for, like, the first time in my life, I don't have to, I don't have to think very hard about what I'm doing, am doing this right, or anything like that.

Adam Coleman 01:50:55

It's just, it's just there.

Will Spencer 01:50:59

Some people would regard the.

Will Spencer 01:51:00

A living conscience as a curse, right?

Will Spencer 01:51:04

And I heard you say that earlier.

Will Spencer 01:51:05

Like the pain of a conscience that's saying, don't do that, don't do that, right?

Will Spencer 01:51:10

Or even though everyone else is doing that, don't do that.

Will Spencer 01:51:12

Like, a living conscience in, especially in culture today can feel like a curse because all the popular kids are doing this or all of, all of society is telling you to do this or trying to get you to buy this or engage in this.

Will Spencer 01:51:23

And it's like something inside me is very inconveniently telling me not to do it.

Will Spencer 01:51:29

And I get into arguments like this on Twitter with atheists.

Will Spencer 01:51:32

I say like, well, do you have a conscience?

Will Spencer 01:51:34

Do you know right from wrong?

Will Spencer 01:51:35

And they'll say something like, yeah, but that's just socially conditioned, right?

Will Spencer 01:51:39

And then I'll show them a picture of like tank man from Tiananmen Square, the guy who stood in front of the, in front of the tanks, you know, like that is that kind of behavior which is exemplary of so many other kinds of behavior that are just like it.

Will Spencer 01:51:52

That's not socially conditioned.

Will Spencer 01:51:54

That's the behavior.

Will Spencer 01:51:55

There's, there's no one who says stand in front of a line of tanks.

Will Spencer 01:51:59

And that guy, by the way, he didn't know he was being photographed.

Will Spencer 01:52:03

Like, he didn't know, like, oh, there's cameras up there, so I'm going to go do this.

Will Spencer 01:52:05

No, he did that exclusively because it was right to him in that moment, the most inconvenient thing.

Will Spencer 01:52:12

And that's the conscience, right?

Will Spencer 01:52:14

And so the conscience can't be socially conditioned because the conscience tells us to do things that are often, quote, unquote, antisocial.

Will Spencer 01:52:21

But to live in alignment with our conscience is the best blessing because it means we can sleep at night.

Will Spencer 01:52:27

We don't have to worry about that thing that I said that one time or that thing that, you know, no one saw me do, but, you know, I know that I did it.

Will Spencer 01:52:33

It's like, it's a, it's a gift if we have the self discipline to act in accordance with it.

Will Spencer 01:52:39

And that, I think, is the hardest thing for so many men and women too.

Will Spencer 01:52:42

Like just part of the human condition to have the self discipline to act in alignment with our conscience when it's antisocial, when it's sort of counterproductive to the group and I think that's being weaponized by a lot of.

Will Spencer 01:52:54

Against a lot of people today.

Adam Coleman 01:52:56

Yeah, absolutely.

Adam Coleman 01:52:58

Absolutely.

Adam Coleman 01:53:00

You know, I was just thinking about the last time my conscience beat me the hell up.

Adam Coleman 01:53:07

Was.

Adam Coleman 01:53:09

So when I.

Adam Coleman 01:53:10

When I.

Adam Coleman 01:53:11

When I write, and it's not often like, sure, that's what I'm saying.

Adam Coleman 01:53:14

Like, it's very rare when I wrote something.

Adam Coleman 01:53:21

Actually.

Adam Coleman 01:53:21

No, I think it's better if I tell you this.

Adam Coleman 01:53:24

You know, Twitter is a.

Adam Coleman 01:53:26

Interesting place.

Adam Coleman 01:53:26

You get caught up in stuff, and.

Adam Coleman 01:53:30

And.

Adam Coleman 01:53:30

And that's why I.

Adam Coleman 01:53:31

I actually call.

Adam Coleman 01:53:32

I call Twitter demonic in nature.

Adam Coleman 01:53:35

It doesn't have to be.

Adam Coleman 01:53:36

But anything that separates people in its natural state is to separate people is something that is demonic.

Adam Coleman 01:53:44

And obviously, you can.

Adam Coleman 01:53:46

You could take anything and make something positive out of it, but I.

Adam Coleman 01:53:50

I see it as an avenue that steers towards separation, whether it's mocking people, ridiculing people, blocking people, you know, yelling at people, defaming, canceling.

Adam Coleman 01:54:02

Like, all that stuff you get rewarded to do on that platform.

Adam Coleman 01:54:06

And because it.

Adam Coleman 01:54:09

In my opinion, that is demonic in nature, it's very easy if you're not.

Adam Coleman 01:54:14

If you're not conscious of it, to fall on that path, even just slightly.

Adam Coleman 01:54:19

And I had accidentally.

Adam Coleman 01:54:26

I had accidentally mocked someone who was suffering, and I.

Adam Coleman 01:54:34

When I realized that, and then their followers were coming after me, and I.

Adam Coleman 01:54:40

And I was like, I didn't know that.

Adam Coleman 01:54:42

Like, I was trying to.

Adam Coleman 01:54:42

Like, I didn't know that.

Adam Coleman 01:54:43

I didn't know that.

Adam Coleman 01:54:44

And then I deleted what I tweeted, and I felt such guilt for, like, an entire day.

Adam Coleman 01:54:55

And I posted, I'm taking a break.

Adam Coleman 01:54:59

Like, I need to get off of here.

Adam Coleman 01:55:01

I'm taking a break.

Adam Coleman 01:55:03

And then I think a day or two later, I sent out that woman a private message apologizing to her.

Adam Coleman 01:55:11

And I said, I don't expect you to respond.

Adam Coleman 01:55:14

I just want to tell you that I'm really sorry.

Adam Coleman 01:55:18

I didn't know that you were suffering.

Adam Coleman 01:55:20

If I did, I would have never said that.

Adam Coleman 01:55:23

It's not my intention to hurt people on here.

Adam Coleman 01:55:27

You know, I got caught up with all the other stuff, and I thought you were this.

Adam Coleman 01:55:32

And I do know, and I'm really sorry.

Adam Coleman 01:55:35

You know, if you want to tell your story on my platform, I would welcome you to do that, but I just wanted to let you know that I'm really sorry for hurting you.

Adam Coleman 01:55:46

And she responded and said, wow, this never happens on her, and it never happens.

Adam Coleman 01:55:54

You know, just someone saying, I was wrong, and I am so sorry, and I did not mean to hurt you and really meant a lot because, you know, people hurt someone and they just move on and pretend that happened.

Adam Coleman 01:56:07

My conscience did not stop bothering me until I did that, until I acknowledged that I messed up.

Adam Coleman 01:56:15

So, like, I'm so glad to have a conscience like that, because I don't know how.

Adam Coleman 01:56:22

How badly I hurt that lady.

Adam Coleman 01:56:25

Right.

Adam Coleman 01:56:26

And maybe me apologizing was a way for her to alleviate that hurt and understand where I'm coming from.

Adam Coleman 01:56:34

And we're were both alleviating that pain because I was humble enough to say I was wrong.

Adam Coleman 01:56:41

I'm in the wrong here.

Adam Coleman 01:56:42

I'm so sorry.

Adam Coleman 01:56:44

And to understand where she's coming from because, you know, I get it.

Adam Coleman 01:56:49

I get why she said what she said, what, you know, and what she's going through.

Adam Coleman 01:56:53

So.

Adam Coleman 01:56:54

And just so people kind of understand, she was.

Adam Coleman 01:56:58

She was affected by Covid, I believe, a COVID vaccine.

Adam Coleman 01:57:05

And I didn't know that.

Adam Coleman 01:57:06

I saw her as somebody who was like, you see all these people who are.

Adam Coleman 01:57:11

Seem kind of crazy, just wearing masks and stuff like that and kind of freak out over.

Adam Coleman 01:57:16

Over these very things.

Adam Coleman 01:57:18

But she was someone who was sick because of the COVID vaccine.

Will Spencer 01:57:23

Well, vaccine injury.

Adam Coleman 01:57:24

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 01:57:26

So.

Adam Coleman 01:57:27

So she was like, hyper.

Adam Coleman 01:57:28

Hyper vigilant about everything, because I can't remember.

Adam Coleman 01:57:33

It was just her.

Adam Coleman 01:57:34

I think it might have been her kids as well or something like that.

Adam Coleman 01:57:37

I can't remember in great detail, but that's kind of the basis of the mockery that I engaged in.

Adam Coleman 01:57:46

And I didn't realize I was mocking someone who was actually hurting.

Will Spencer 01:57:54

Have you talked about this on your Twitter since then, or is this the first time you've spoken about it?

Adam Coleman 01:58:00

I.

Adam Coleman 01:58:00

I wrote.

Adam Coleman 01:58:02

I wrote a substack piece about it.

Adam Coleman 01:58:06

As I was saying, I'm taking a break because I realized I got caught up there.

Adam Coleman 01:58:14

You know, there were a whole bunch of things.

Adam Coleman 01:58:16

Elon had retweeted me.

Adam Coleman 01:58:18

I got.

Adam Coleman 01:58:18

I got attacked by white supremacists who call me the N word.

Adam Coleman 01:58:22

I was getting attacked by black leftists who were calling me coons.

Adam Coleman 01:58:25

Like, it was just at first.

Adam Coleman 01:58:29

I can't make anyone happy.

Adam Coleman 01:58:31

You can't make anyone happy.

Adam Coleman 01:58:32

I'm just.

Adam Coleman 01:58:32

I'm all the above.

Will Spencer 01:58:34

I like you.

Adam Coleman 01:58:37

I like you as well.

Adam Coleman 01:58:38

Thank you so much.

Adam Coleman 01:58:39

But, yeah, it was just.

Adam Coleman 01:58:42

It was like every hour I was getting a new hate message.

Adam Coleman 01:58:47

I got leftists.

Adam Coleman 01:58:50

Leftists and communists in New York City tagged me on Twitter on.

Adam Coleman 01:58:53

On Instagram, and I had to block my mentions.

Adam Coleman 01:58:56

And it's like.

Adam Coleman 01:58:57

So then that happened like a two Days later, I was just like, I need to get off this platform.

Adam Coleman 01:59:03

Like, because I'm.

Adam Coleman 01:59:04

Oh, yeah, it was just.

Adam Coleman 01:59:06

It was too much.

Adam Coleman 01:59:07

It was too much.

Adam Coleman 01:59:08

And I was starting.

Adam Coleman 01:59:08

I.

Adam Coleman 01:59:09

I didn't act like myself by hurting somebody.

Adam Coleman 01:59:13

So, yeah.

Will Spencer 01:59:16

I see what you mean about feeling that it's demonic, and I agree.

Will Spencer 01:59:20

You know, I've said to a bunch of people that pre.

Will Spencer 01:59:23

Elon, I think, you know, Twitter was a.

Will Spencer 01:59:26

It was all about censorship, right?

Will Spencer 01:59:28

They constrained the level of dialogue.

Will Spencer 01:59:30

And now post Elon, it's like the narrative is being driven.

Will Spencer 01:59:34

It's like it's being supercharged, and everyone's getting all frothy much faster in some very destructive ways.

Will Spencer 01:59:40

And I can't say whether one's better than the other in some ways, but certainly there are.

Will Spencer 01:59:45

There are benefits to free speech.

Will Spencer 01:59:46

I mean, I think around the Trump assassination attempt, right?

Will Spencer 01:59:50

That day, Twitter was so far out ahead of the media, in for 48 hours, at least.

Will Spencer 01:59:55

And so that freedom of information, to let information flow was very, very powerful.

Will Spencer 02:00:00

And that comes with the costs of people being able to say things that they couldn't say a few years ago that we then get caught up.

Will Spencer 02:00:07

And it's like, whoa, I need to turn this off.

Will Spencer 02:00:09

Especially when you have influence, like, you have.

Will Spencer 02:00:11

I think you.

Will Spencer 02:00:12

I think I saw 130,000 Twitter followers.

Will Spencer 02:00:14

Like, that's a.

Will Spencer 02:00:15

That's a big deal, right?

Will Spencer 02:00:17

And it can.

Will Spencer 02:00:18

It can be very easy to fall into that and be like, whoa, okay, whoa.

Will Spencer 02:00:22

There's more.

Will Spencer 02:00:23

As we said earlier, it's not just about me.

Will Spencer 02:00:26

Right?

Will Spencer 02:00:26

And that's.

Will Spencer 02:00:27

And.

Will Spencer 02:00:27

And you felt it becoming about something more than you and I guess in a different way.

Adam Coleman 02:00:33

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:00:34

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:00:34

I felt like I wasn't.

Adam Coleman 02:00:36

I wasn't myself.

Adam Coleman 02:00:37

Like, how.

Adam Coleman 02:00:39

And people who talk to me on the phone, there have been Twitter friends that I've made.

Adam Coleman 02:00:44

We talk on the phone and stuff like that and talk frequently.

Adam Coleman 02:00:48

They'll.

Adam Coleman 02:00:48

They'll go online, like, whatever.

Adam Coleman 02:00:51

You see Adam on.

Adam Coleman 02:00:52

Adam online, that's how he is in real life.

Adam Coleman 02:00:56

And then people meet me.

Adam Coleman 02:00:57

It's like I'm.

Adam Coleman 02:00:58

I'm so even inconsistent.

Adam Coleman 02:01:01

Like, it probably drives my wife crazy because it seems like I'm.

Adam Coleman 02:01:06

I'm Even temperament.

Adam Coleman 02:01:08

I'm consistent.

Adam Coleman 02:01:10

It's very, very rare that I'm emotionally off for an extended period of time.

Adam Coleman 02:01:16

So when I am, it really bothers me, you know?

Adam Coleman 02:01:20

And so when I.

Adam Coleman 02:01:21

When I do something like what I did there, it bothers me.

Adam Coleman 02:01:25

It bothers me a lot, you know, not necessarily because I'm trying To be an influencer and tell people to do this and do that.

Adam Coleman 02:01:37

But just on a personal level, I just, I didn't have to apologize to her and I didn't have to tell anybody.

Adam Coleman 02:01:44

I have to tell you.

Adam Coleman 02:01:45

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:01:46

I could have just moved on with my life, but I felt the need to, you know, and that's, that's, that's the soul aspect, the guilt.

Adam Coleman 02:01:55

That's these, these are God given traits that we have that you can't measure.

Adam Coleman 02:02:03

You know, it's just, it's there.

Adam Coleman 02:02:05

You know, it's there just, you know, you have a soul.

Adam Coleman 02:02:08

Like, it's there.

Adam Coleman 02:02:10

You can't put under a magnifying glass.

Adam Coleman 02:02:12

You know, it's.

Adam Coleman 02:02:13

But, you know, it's there.

Adam Coleman 02:02:15

And so we know what's right and wrong.

Adam Coleman 02:02:16

And I knew what I did was wrong, and I knew that the only way that I could alleviate that was acknowledging that I was wrong and apologizing to this person.

Adam Coleman 02:02:26

So, you know, and I didn't talk about it publicly.

Adam Coleman 02:02:32

Twitter, not because I, I didn't, you know, I was shame, shameful of it and I didn't want to show my shame to the public.

Adam Coleman 02:02:40

But sometimes when you do stuff like that publicly, it can come off as you appearing to be the good guy in front of everybody.

Adam Coleman 02:02:49

It's kind of like when someone films himself giving a homeless person money.

Adam Coleman 02:02:54

Like, it's that kind of thing.

Adam Coleman 02:02:56

It's like, well, why are you doing it?

Adam Coleman 02:02:59

Are you, are you genuine or are you just doing it to show people, look, I'm, I'm big and I apologize if.

Adam Coleman 02:03:06

You know.

Will Spencer 02:03:08

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:03:09

You know, so that's why.

Will Spencer 02:03:12

Yeah, for, in a situation like that, there's really no need to run that up the flagpole and make a big thing about apologizing to a specific woman.

Will Spencer 02:03:21

Unless it's something that everyone saw and everyone reacted to and then it's appropriate.

Will Spencer 02:03:25

But the reason why I asked if you talked about it is because the.

Will Spencer 02:03:28

One of the thoughts that came to my mind is not just the impact that you may have had on that woman that you responded to, but the number of people who are watching you, who saw that in you for a moment.

Will Spencer 02:03:38

Like, oh, I feel bad.

Will Spencer 02:03:40

You know, I feel bad for Adam that he did that or I didn't know that about him.

Will Spencer 02:03:43

Like, the, you know, because we, like the notion of having fans is quite strange, but it's a thing.

Will Spencer 02:03:48

And it's like people are, people are watching.

Will Spencer 02:03:50

And it's like they have high expectations for us and we have high expectations for ourselves.

Will Spencer 02:03:56

And so it's great to hear about this because I imagine there may be one other person who is watching that, a third party watching that whole, you know, thought something or felt some kind of way about it.

Will Spencer 02:04:08

And they'll probably be grateful to hear, like, the resolution that happened on the back end, that you actually reached out to the woman and that you spoke to her.

Will Spencer 02:04:14

It's like, oh, that's really cool that he had the courage to sort of step.

Will Spencer 02:04:18

To take a step back and reach out and treat her like a person rather than just a name with an avatar on Twitter.

Will Spencer 02:04:24

Like, hey, we're.

Will Spencer 02:04:25

We're through this mediated, pseudo anonymous kind of platform.

Will Spencer 02:04:29

We can't see each other face to face like this.

Will Spencer 02:04:31

So, like, hey, there's a human on this side, and I recognize there's a human on that side, and I didn't treat you like that for a moment, and I'm sorry.

Will Spencer 02:04:38

Like, that's huge.

Will Spencer 02:04:39

Like, oh, my gosh.

Will Spencer 02:04:40

Praise God.

Will Spencer 02:04:41

Hallelujah.

Adam Coleman 02:04:42

Yeah, I just.

Adam Coleman 02:04:43

I never.

Adam Coleman 02:04:45

Also from the fact that one.

Adam Coleman 02:04:48

I deleted it, and it wasn't.

Adam Coleman 02:04:50

It wasn't up terribly long, and I deleted it.

Adam Coleman 02:04:53

And I know.

Adam Coleman 02:04:54

Part of me knows that, like, by that point, it was like, four days later.

Adam Coleman 02:05:00

No one remembers any of this stuff, even if everyone's memory is short.

Adam Coleman 02:05:05

So what did you say?

Will Spencer 02:05:08

I forgot.

Adam Coleman 02:05:09

Exactly.

Adam Coleman 02:05:11

You know, for me, it's like, I already hurt this lady, and she's not a public figure.

Adam Coleman 02:05:18

So that's the other part.

Adam Coleman 02:05:20

She's just some lady.

Adam Coleman 02:05:22

And so I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:05:23

I don't want to make this a public thing and potentially hurt her again.

Adam Coleman 02:05:30

Even I might apologize.

Adam Coleman 02:05:32

And then someone who follows me is like, yeah, but she's still an idiot, blah, blah, blah.

Adam Coleman 02:05:36

And then I'm just, you know, I just opened the pathway for her to get hurt again.

Adam Coleman 02:05:42

So I, you know, kind of had, like, those things in mind.

Adam Coleman 02:05:46

I didn't.

Adam Coleman 02:05:47

I wanted to make it as personal as possible.

Adam Coleman 02:05:52

And honestly, I didn't expect her to even respond.

Adam Coleman 02:05:57

You know, I just wanted to.

Adam Coleman 02:05:59

I just wanted to apologize.

Adam Coleman 02:06:00

If she read it and she had nothing to say to me, and she's like, well, you're still an asshole, then so be it.

Adam Coleman 02:06:07

But I wanted to get that off my chest.

Adam Coleman 02:06:09

My conscience.

Adam Coleman 02:06:10

And I just wanted to put it out there.

Will Spencer 02:06:16

I think that's being very responsible.

Will Spencer 02:06:18

I mean, you didn't have to say anything.

Will Spencer 02:06:20

But again, this gets back to the point about the conscience.

Will Spencer 02:06:23

Your conscience convicted you.

Will Spencer 02:06:25

Maybe it wouldn't have made any difference to anyone else in the world or even her, but it made a difference to you.

Will Spencer 02:06:31

And that's not to make it sound selfish.

Will Spencer 02:06:33

It's like, look, regardless of whatever anyone else thinks, my conscience is telling me I did something wrong here, if only by God's standards, not even by her.

Will Spencer 02:06:43

Maybe she didn't even feel all that wronged, or maybe no one else saw and thought it was wrong.

Will Spencer 02:06:48

You thought it was wrong, God thought it was wrong.

Will Spencer 02:06:50

And so you act.

Will Spencer 02:06:51

And that's a gift.

Will Spencer 02:06:53

Some people don't.

Will Spencer 02:06:54

Some people don't have that.

Will Spencer 02:06:55

A lot of people don't have that.

Will Spencer 02:06:56

And I think more than anything that we should pray for those people that they have that.

Will Spencer 02:07:01

But I think it's all.

Will Spencer 02:07:03

People fear it because they know that not only will they then be accountable for their behavior going forward, they'll be accountable for the backlog of stuff, which is its own thing.

Adam Coleman 02:07:15

Yeah, I think it's.

Adam Coleman 02:07:19

I think it's really important to apologize.

Adam Coleman 02:07:22

Not under duress, not because some said you should, but because you, you want to.

Adam Coleman 02:07:27

Like, if someone told me you need to apologize to her now, I'd be like, go yourself.

Adam Coleman 02:07:33

Don't, don't leverage an apology because an apology is supposed to mean something.

Adam Coleman 02:07:37

Thing that's right.

Adam Coleman 02:07:38

And if you genuinely mean it, then you apologize.

Adam Coleman 02:07:41

But don't, don't.

Adam Coleman 02:07:42

Like, that's like a huge pet peeve of mine when someone tries to force me to do something, you know, even if they're right, even if that person's right and I should apologize.

Adam Coleman 02:07:52

But don't, don't try to force me to do something.

Adam Coleman 02:07:56

I will do it because it's coming from heart and I want to do it.

Adam Coleman 02:08:00

But I, I do think that there's a need to, there's a need to be humble about your experience.

Adam Coleman 02:08:10

And, you know, I, and that's why I think it's important for us to talk about where we mess up.

Adam Coleman 02:08:16

Because I think there's so many people who, you know, the influences online who pretend that they've never messed up, never did anything wrong.

Adam Coleman 02:08:25

They're always right, you know, and even just the nature of being a born again Christian is saying I was wrong before.

Adam Coleman 02:08:36

Like, I'm being humble enough to say I was wrong.

Adam Coleman 02:08:40

And I'm doing the thing that I think is a long time, right, for quite some time.

Adam Coleman 02:08:45

And so, like, for me, it's not, it's not embarrassing to acknowledge I messed up, because if I can talk about these things and maybe encourages somebody else to talk about it or to acknowledge where they're messing up, or maybe they're currently messing up.

Adam Coleman 02:09:02

And they're just so fearful of acknowledging that messing up, that just keep repeating it.

Adam Coleman 02:09:08

And, you know, I've had.

Adam Coleman 02:09:11

I've had people.

Adam Coleman 02:09:13

That's the other crazy part.

Adam Coleman 02:09:15

It's like people like you in this space, they offer advice that you didn't necessarily need at that moment, but you're glad that they gave you that advice.

Adam Coleman 02:09:29

You know, there was a guy who.

Adam Coleman 02:09:35

It was kind of like a cautionary tale.

Adam Coleman 02:09:38

He could see me ascending, and he said, hey, just so you know, he's an older guy.

Adam Coleman 02:09:44

He said, listen, I used to be on TV decades ago.

Adam Coleman 02:09:49

I was in la.

Adam Coleman 02:09:50

I was doing this, that.

Adam Coleman 02:09:52

And I was really feeling myself.

Adam Coleman 02:09:55

And I cheated on my wife, and she found out, and I loved my wife and it ruined my life.

Adam Coleman 02:10:02

And I realized, what did I do this for?

Adam Coleman 02:10:05

Like, I just got caught up.

Adam Coleman 02:10:07

And I did this because I had ego and it was all pride and I just thought I could do stuff with no repercussions.

Adam Coleman 02:10:14

And I hurt the person that I loved.

Adam Coleman 02:10:16

And I messed up my life at that.

Adam Coleman 02:10:19

At that moment, because I was.

Adam Coleman 02:10:21

I was chasing something that wasn't even important.

Adam Coleman 02:10:24

And so he was like, make sure you don't follow into the mistakes that I did.

Adam Coleman 02:10:30

No, I didn't do anything.

Adam Coleman 02:10:32

There wasn't anything.

Adam Coleman 02:10:34

Anything implied or anything like that.

Adam Coleman 02:10:36

But he felt the need to give me that reminder kind of early on.

Adam Coleman 02:10:45

Give me the reminder.

Adam Coleman 02:10:46

Like, I see what you're doing.

Adam Coleman 02:10:48

I like it, and I see which way you're going.

Adam Coleman 02:10:51

And I'm just giving you my cautionary tale in case you ever come across a situation.

Adam Coleman 02:10:58

And.

Adam Coleman 02:10:58

And so you don't make that mistake.

Adam Coleman 02:11:00

Because I.

Adam Coleman 02:11:01

I love my wife a lot.

Adam Coleman 02:11:03

I love her dearly and would never want to put myself in any sort of situation like that.

Adam Coleman 02:11:09

And, you know, whenever I travel somewhere, I try to make sure my wife comes with me because, one, I want her there, but two, to show, like, I have no interest in any of this other stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:11:24

I don't want to.

Adam Coleman 02:11:25

I want to be tacitly involved in stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:11:30

I want my wife.

Adam Coleman 02:11:31

I want my wife only.

Adam Coleman 02:11:32

I want her with me to see if I go and speak, if I go and sell books, stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:11:37

Like, I want her with me because.

Adam Coleman 02:11:39

Reunion.

Adam Coleman 02:11:42

And I think that's ultimately what he was trying to.

Adam Coleman 02:11:46

Trying to explain to me is like, cherish your union.

Adam Coleman 02:11:51

You know, don't.

Adam Coleman 02:11:52

Don't take it for granted like I did.

Adam Coleman 02:11:54

And so that's.

Adam Coleman 02:11:56

That's a.

Adam Coleman 02:11:56

That's a lesson from just a random guy on Twitter who's been a follower of mine for quite some time who opened up and told me his story of his pain and his regret to make sure that I don't repeat his mistake.

Will Spencer 02:12:15

Yeah.

Will Spencer 02:12:16

And he showed you a potential pitfall along the way that you weren't even thinking of.

Will Spencer 02:12:20

And maybe it wouldn't have been on your radar anyway.

Will Spencer 02:12:23

But he's saying, like, hey, further down this road, you may encounter X.

Will Spencer 02:12:28

In case you do, don't do it.

Will Spencer 02:12:31

Because here's what happens.

Will Spencer 02:12:33

I mean, the Bible is full of warnings against adulteresses.

Will Spencer 02:12:36

Like, the mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit, I believe is one of them.

Will Spencer 02:12:40

And you know, like, that's a thing, you know, like that think about that.

Will Spencer 02:12:45

Men.

Will Spencer 02:12:46

But it was kind of him to reach out to you and in a way almost share his story with you.

Will Spencer 02:12:51

I mean, in a very real way.

Will Spencer 02:12:53

Share his story.

Will Spencer 02:12:54

Yeah, because it's like, hey, you know, don't do this, and here's me.

Will Spencer 02:13:00

And so it seems to me that you create this space around you that people feel.

Will Spencer 02:13:04

You intentionally create the space around you that people feel comfortable in, whether it be people you're apologizing in dms, you have people reaching out to share personal parts of your story, whether it's someone that you're reaching out to personally to check on them.

Will Spencer 02:13:16

Like, hey, are you.

Will Spencer 02:13:17

You okay?

Will Spencer 02:13:18

Like, I felt something funny about what you wrote.

Will Spencer 02:13:20

Like, what a rare, what a rare gift in the realm of social media to have a real, dare I say, a real person.

Will Spencer 02:13:27

Right, Right.

Will Spencer 02:13:30

So what a gift that you offer to the people around you.

Will Spencer 02:13:32

Because whether.

Will Spencer 02:13:33

Whether the, Whether the guidance from the man had anything to do with where you would ever be or not, it was something that he still.

Will Spencer 02:13:42

Something that he still felt called to share.

Will Spencer 02:13:44

Like, hey, this is something that I learned in a really hard way.

Will Spencer 02:13:47

It's important to me to know this now, and I'd like to share that with you.

Will Spencer 02:13:50

That's a, That's a piece of him that he felt comfortable enough to share with you, because he probably wouldn't share that with a lot of people.

Adam Coleman 02:13:58

Yeah, and I'm.

Adam Coleman 02:14:00

I'm always thankful.

Adam Coleman 02:14:01

Like, I get DMs from people.

Adam Coleman 02:14:03

I get emails from people in response to things that I write.

Adam Coleman 02:14:07

I get people who say, thank you so much because this is my story.

Adam Coleman 02:14:12

I really appreciate you.

Adam Coleman 02:14:14

You know, so I get, as much as we talk, it's very easy to notice the negative that exists out there.

Adam Coleman 02:14:22

But, like, the positive that I get disclutely dwarfs.

Adam Coleman 02:14:26

That's.

Adam Coleman 02:14:27

So when I, When I show off, like, the.

Adam Coleman 02:14:29

The hate DMs and the hate emails, stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 02:14:32

Like, those things are rare.

Adam Coleman 02:14:34

Very much so.

Adam Coleman 02:14:35

Often I get.

Adam Coleman 02:14:37

I get positive things.

Adam Coleman 02:14:39

I get people who share their stories, very intimate stories.

Adam Coleman 02:14:43

I've.

Adam Coleman 02:14:43

I've had people.

Adam Coleman 02:14:44

My.

Adam Coleman 02:14:45

My first viral tweet was talking about my sadness of growing up without my father, how it impacted me.

Adam Coleman 02:14:52

I can't even remember the exact tweet, but I remember Christopher Rufo retweeted it and it just took off from there.

Adam Coleman 02:15:00

And I was a small account at the time, so.

Adam Coleman 02:15:04

But that.

Adam Coleman 02:15:05

That prompted so many DMs from people who were like, that's my story.

Adam Coleman 02:15:10

Or they were the fathers who were trying to fight for custody with their kids.

Adam Coleman 02:15:14

You know, it's just.

Adam Coleman 02:15:15

It was just DM after dm, after DM from people who were telling me in.

Adam Coleman 02:15:19

In some detail their stories and what they were going through.

Adam Coleman 02:15:23

And I remember that night, like, going to bed and I was, like, crying because it was.

Adam Coleman 02:15:30

It was so.

Adam Coleman 02:15:31

It was.

Adam Coleman 02:15:32

It was very much so emotional.

Adam Coleman 02:15:34

And I was on top of that.

Adam Coleman 02:15:35

I was still sort of new to Twitter, but it was very much so emotional for me to have so many people feel what I put out there enough to tell me their story.

Adam Coleman 02:15:48

And so I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:15:49

I always think whenever they tell me their story, I always read it and I thank them for sharing their story because they don't have to do that.

Adam Coleman 02:15:57

And a lot of people feel very comfortable telling me, and I don't break the trust or anything like that and, you know, reveal anything, but, like, the fact that they feel open enough, tell me.

Adam Coleman 02:16:12

Because as much as they're strangers, me, I'm also a stranger to them.

Adam Coleman 02:16:15

Like, they don't know me either.

Adam Coleman 02:16:18

So for them to feel comfortable enough to take a chance and reach out to me, I've had people who are like, I don't think you're going to read this, but I just wanted to say.

Adam Coleman 02:16:28

And then, like, two seconds later, I'm like, thanks so much.

Adam Coleman 02:16:31

You're like, oh, my God.

Adam Coleman 02:16:32

They're always shocked.

Adam Coleman 02:16:34

Yeah, I'm just a regular guy.

Adam Coleman 02:16:36

I use Twitter.

Adam Coleman 02:16:37

I see a message, and thank you so much.

Adam Coleman 02:16:39

I do appreciate it.

Adam Coleman 02:16:42

So I.

Adam Coleman 02:16:43

Yeah, like I said before, I take any of this stuff for granted.

Adam Coleman 02:16:47

It's hard for people to reveal themselves in general, nevertheless reveal themselves to complete strangers.

Will Spencer 02:16:58

Yes.

Will Spencer 02:16:59

Oh, my gosh, very much so.

Will Spencer 02:17:01

I had a successful female content creator influencer reach out to me and just privately tell me about how she met her husband.

Will Spencer 02:17:08

I had replied to something that she had said, you know, and I had replied at length, or maybe I had retweeted it and replied at length.

Will Spencer 02:17:17

I said, like, giving her the benefit of the doubt of a bunch of stuff.

Will Spencer 02:17:20

And then she reached out to kind of explain her story and I was like, well, first of all, thank you for sharing that with me.

Will Spencer 02:17:25

And she said something really nice.

Will Spencer 02:17:26

She said, well, I trust you.

Will Spencer 02:17:28

Like, thank you for saying that.

Will Spencer 02:17:29

Like, we've never met, you know, but, but the, the idea that to be a kind of person where your personality, where yourself shines through the words, shines through the interactions, like, I think that's one of the beautiful things about, about social media.

Will Spencer 02:17:45

There's a lot that isn't good, but the idea that through reading words or watching someone or some, over some period of time, being like, you know what?

Will Spencer 02:17:52

I'm just going to reach out to this guy.

Will Spencer 02:17:53

In fact, that's why you and I are talking is that I'd watched you for a while and, you know, I just like, well, I'm just going to shoot this guy a message.

Will Spencer 02:17:59

And I know he's got a lot of things going on.

Will Spencer 02:18:01

Let's just see if we can have a conversation.

Will Spencer 02:18:03

And I was like, oh, my gosh.

Will Spencer 02:18:03

He replied.

Will Spencer 02:18:04

So I can relate very much to all these people that send you.

Will Spencer 02:18:09

That send you messages.

Will Spencer 02:18:10

I mean, and I think it's a blessing to be able to have the.

Will Spencer 02:18:15

I guess I might say the inner resources to be available in that way.

Will Spencer 02:18:18

And I don't mean like available in terms of, like, you know, I'm.

Will Spencer 02:18:22

I'm here to pick up the phone.

Will Spencer 02:18:24

It's like when someone messages, the ability to meet them with where.

Will Spencer 02:18:28

Meet them where they're at, because that takes, that takes effort because you're wherever you're at during the day and this person's way over here and they send you a message saying, I'm struggling with something or whatever, and then you come over there to meet them where they're at.

Will Spencer 02:18:39

Like, that's not easy to do in our, in our hectic lives.

Will Spencer 02:18:43

And that requires a certain amount of inner resources to be able to do and I guess a generosity of spirit.

Adam Coleman 02:18:50

Yeah, I.

Adam Coleman 02:18:54

I'm sort of glued to my phone because working at it, you, you know, you always have to have your phone on you.

Adam Coleman 02:19:00

But as far as being, like, emotionally available, I don't know where it comes from, but I'm okay with it.

Adam Coleman 02:19:12

I'm okay with being emotionally available myself and talking about very intimate things or hearing people's stories.

Adam Coleman 02:19:25

Also, I know what it's like to send someone a thankful message and not get a reply.

Adam Coleman 02:19:31

So I'm just like, I respond to everybody.

Adam Coleman 02:19:37

I check my emails, I check my DMs.

Adam Coleman 02:19:40

As long as you're not crazy, I'll send you at least like a thank you, you know, something like that.

Adam Coleman 02:19:47

Because, Because I'm thankful.

Adam Coleman 02:19:50

Like, you don't have to tell me how, how much I impact your life.

Adam Coleman 02:19:55

You don't have to tell me thank you so much for what you did.

Adam Coleman 02:19:58

You don't have to tell me any of that stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:20:00

But you took the time out of your day to say something nice to me, a complete stranger.

Adam Coleman 02:20:05

Yeah, I'm going to thank you for that.

Will Spencer 02:20:08

Now.

Adam Coleman 02:20:09

If you send me something crazy and call me a coon, I'm gonna mock you and I'm gonna ask you with.

Will Spencer 02:20:15

The energy you bring to me.

Adam Coleman 02:20:17

Right?

Adam Coleman 02:20:18

And I won't let that hurt me.

Adam Coleman 02:20:21

I will actually call you.

Adam Coleman 02:20:22

You're.

Adam Coleman 02:20:23

You're my biggest fan.

Adam Coleman 02:20:24

That's my, my thing.

Adam Coleman 02:20:25

These are my biggest fans.

Adam Coleman 02:20:26

The ones who, like, I just know I can't imagine hating someone so much that I send them an angry message.

Adam Coleman 02:20:34

And I was like, oh, you're just, you're a confused fan, but you're just like a really big fan.

Adam Coleman 02:20:40

That's why you send me that message.

Adam Coleman 02:20:43

Like you'll know what to do with that energy.

Will Spencer 02:20:44

I love what I do.

Adam Coleman 02:20:46

Yeah, exactly.

Will Spencer 02:20:48

You just don't know how to express all the affection.

Adam Coleman 02:20:52

That's exactly what it is.

Adam Coleman 02:20:53

It's like there's a thin line between love and hate and they're just like toeing that line.

Adam Coleman 02:20:58

They don't know exactly how, how to deal with that pent up emotion.

Adam Coleman 02:21:02

So I always give them my well played, my biggest grace.

Adam Coleman 02:21:07

Thank you so much to my kids fans who send me these messages.

Will Spencer 02:21:13

It's funny, I was thinking about that today as I was driving.

Will Spencer 02:21:16

Just the number of hate tweets, angry stuff that just comes across every day.

Will Spencer 02:21:20

And I was just looking around the car and I was like, it could be any of these people.

Will Spencer 02:21:23

I mean, it probably isn't.

Will Spencer 02:21:25

I'm trying to imagine that the spirit of the person who's just like, you know, they see something on Twitter and they're like, kill yourself.

Will Spencer 02:21:34

It's like what people walking around, walking around during the day, you know, like what?

Will Spencer 02:21:40

Like they just get on their phone and it's like they call you a coon and then they put it down and they go like, order a latte or something.

Will Spencer 02:21:45

Like, I just don't understand how that fits together into a real person.

Adam Coleman 02:21:50

I hope your family dies.

Adam Coleman 02:21:52

Hey, so we'll go play ball.

Will Spencer 02:21:55

Exactly.

Will Spencer 02:21:56

Exactly.

Adam Coleman 02:21:57

Sorry.

Will Spencer 02:21:57

As I was saying.

Adam Coleman 02:22:00

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:22:01

The world is weird in that.

Adam Coleman 02:22:03

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:22:03

I think the Internet and anonymity forces people to, like, they're so separate.

Adam Coleman 02:22:11

That's what I'm saying.

Adam Coleman 02:22:12

It's the separation of people, and it's so easy to kind of see as things.

Adam Coleman 02:22:18

And it's just a screen.

Adam Coleman 02:22:20

A screen name and an avatar and stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 02:22:23

And it's why I try my best to criticize ideas rather than criticize person, because obviously we've changed our minds and stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:22:35

And so I think it's good to have grace because I've met, like, for example, I talk about leftists, but I talk about leftists as far as, like, the ideology of leftists, not the individual.

Will Spencer 02:22:47

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:22:48

And I've met former leftists who are people, and.

Adam Coleman 02:22:54

And they're like, I'm glad that there are people who gave me grace to fit this ideology and move elsewhere to think for myself on these particular things.

Adam Coleman 02:23:04

So, you know, I think that's.

Adam Coleman 02:23:06

That's also important.

Adam Coleman 02:23:06

So I try not to.

Adam Coleman 02:23:09

I try not to go after the individual.

Adam Coleman 02:23:14

I try to go after either the behavior or the ideology of a particular person.

Will Spencer 02:23:22

Thank you for saying that.

Will Spencer 02:23:23

I've been saying that a lot lately.

Will Spencer 02:23:24

Like, go after their ideas or the behavior or the words, not the individual.

Will Spencer 02:23:30

Right?

Will Spencer 02:23:30

Like, you know, don't.

Will Spencer 02:23:32

Don't use personal pejoratives, you know, because if an idea is bad, it's a lie.

Will Spencer 02:23:37

You can just punch through it the right way.

Will Spencer 02:23:39

But I think the challenge is people get their ideas wrapped around the axle of their identity, and when you start poking at the idea, they can't distinguish the idea from themselves.

Will Spencer 02:23:49

Like, I get that.

Will Spencer 02:23:50

You know, I poke at feminism a lot.

Will Spencer 02:23:52

I enjoy doing it, but so many people have it wrapped around their identity.

Will Spencer 02:23:55

Like, they.

Will Spencer 02:23:56

And they don't.

Will Spencer 02:23:56

Maybe they know, maybe they don't, but it can be.

Will Spencer 02:23:59

It can be very.

Will Spencer 02:23:59

It can be very sensitive.

Will Spencer 02:24:01

But, like, again, it's kind of the arena, right?

Will Spencer 02:24:04

It's the.

Will Spencer 02:24:04

It's the public marketplace, the marketplace of ideas.

Will Spencer 02:24:07

And so we should feel free to let ideas bash into each other and see which one wins.

Will Spencer 02:24:12

And I think there's a strange phenomenon where, When.

Will Spencer 02:24:17

When people build their platforms based on bad ideas, right?

Will Spencer 02:24:21

And there's only one good idea in history, and that's Christ, you know, so you have that as a solid foundation.

Will Spencer 02:24:26

There might be a few other.

Will Spencer 02:24:27

I don't mean to be so Hyperbolic about it, but, you know, we're talking about solid foundations to stand on.

Will Spencer 02:24:31

And so people build their platforms based on ideas.

Will Spencer 02:24:34

A great example, Richard Dawkins.

Will Spencer 02:24:36

Richard Dawkins is a great example that's been up lately.

Will Spencer 02:24:39

You know, he built his whole.

Will Spencer 02:24:40

His whole career essentially, on evolutionary science, materialism, denying God, like, that was his whole deal through the 90s and early 2000s.

Will Spencer 02:24:49

Right?

Will Spencer 02:24:49

Blind.

Will Spencer 02:24:49

The universe is blind.

Will Spencer 02:24:51

Pitiless indifference with no justice anywhere.

Will Spencer 02:24:53

That's like one of his famous quotes.

Will Spencer 02:24:55

And then a couple of weeks ago, he posts like, I lost my entire Facebook account for questioning.

Will Spencer 02:25:00

Something about the riots going on in the UK that seems really unfair.

Will Spencer 02:25:04

And, like, I hit him with that quote.

Will Spencer 02:25:06

Like, is this you?

Will Spencer 02:25:07

Right?

Will Spencer 02:25:08

And so, like, when you build your platform based on this idea, and then you're held accountable for the idea.

Will Spencer 02:25:13

Well, what did he do?

Will Spencer 02:25:14

He deleted the whole.

Will Spencer 02:25:15

He deleted the whole tweet.

Will Spencer 02:25:16

He ran from the accountability of his own.

Will Spencer 02:25:19

Of his own idea.

Will Spencer 02:25:20

And, like.

Will Spencer 02:25:21

And so to.

Will Spencer 02:25:22

So to prevent that, it's like, no, defend your ideas in the marketplace if you can.

Will Spencer 02:25:26

And that, I think, is one of the great blessings with Twitter that we haven't had before.

Will Spencer 02:25:30

But like you said, it can get demonic, and we can easily just slide off and lose ourselves in the combat, you know, and become very fleshly about it and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I need to punch out of this for a second and go touch grass.

Will Spencer 02:25:42

And remember that, yes, it's righteous combat against ideas.

Will Spencer 02:25:47

And I'm a person, and they're a person as well.

Will Spencer 02:25:50

It can be quite demanding, actually, now that I describe it that way.

Adam Coleman 02:25:54

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:25:55

But I also.

Adam Coleman 02:25:56

I do think that I have many, many of strategies that I implement.

Adam Coleman 02:26:03

I think sometimes people don't think.

Adam Coleman 02:26:08

They just do when it comes to Twitter.

Adam Coleman 02:26:10

They just use it like a diary.

Adam Coleman 02:26:12

But everything that I put out, it's kind of like a lawyer, the lawyer, a good lawyer is supposed to know the answer to a question that they ask.

Adam Coleman 02:26:20

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:26:21

You know, you don't ask that question if you don't know the answer.

Adam Coleman 02:26:24

So I.

Adam Coleman 02:26:26

I know the response that I'll get based on the tweet that I'm about to craft.

Adam Coleman 02:26:33

I already know.

Adam Coleman 02:26:35

It's very, very easy for me.

Adam Coleman 02:26:37

And so every word that I use I know will elicit a particular response.

Adam Coleman 02:26:45

I know if I use a qualifier that alleviates the people who say, well, you're being general.

Adam Coleman 02:26:51

Actually, no, as a qualifier, I'm being very specific.

Adam Coleman 02:26:56

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:26:56

So you can't fight that.

Adam Coleman 02:26:57

So there.

Adam Coleman 02:26:58

There's very particular Strategies that I implement to avoid most of what become when it comes to stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 02:27:08

But as far as you're talking about identity, I am.

Adam Coleman 02:27:13

If anybody follows me, like yourself, I am very much so.

Adam Coleman 02:27:17

Identity less.

Adam Coleman 02:27:20

Obviously, people know about my faith and I talk about them, but outside of that, people don't really know my philosophy.

Adam Coleman 02:27:29

You know, there's a lot of people who presume my philosophy.

Adam Coleman 02:27:31

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:27:32

You can see, like, you know, Tom Soul on the wall.

Adam Coleman 02:27:34

Oh, he must be black conservative.

Adam Coleman 02:27:36

And I ask people, am I.

Adam Coleman 02:27:38

Have you heard me say, you know, as a black conservative?

Adam Coleman 02:27:42

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:27:44

Am I holding me being black as, like, this deity?

Adam Coleman 02:27:49

No, I don't do that either.

Adam Coleman 02:27:51

So when someone calls me a coon, it doesn't bother me because being black is, like, very, very far down on the list.

Adam Coleman 02:27:58

You can't really hurt me on that.

Adam Coleman 02:28:00

And that's an identity that I was born with.

Adam Coleman 02:28:02

I had no choice but to be black.

Adam Coleman 02:28:04

So, you know, so you can't really hurt me there.

Adam Coleman 02:28:09

I'm an independent.

Adam Coleman 02:28:11

I've said it multiple times.

Adam Coleman 02:28:13

So that's the one identity.

Adam Coleman 02:28:15

Because people tried to put you in the dichotomy of identity.

Adam Coleman 02:28:17

Are you Republican or Democrat?

Adam Coleman 02:28:19

You sound like a liberal.

Adam Coleman 02:28:20

You sound like a conservative.

Adam Coleman 02:28:21

Well, I'm an independent, and so I don't care if you smear Republicans.

Adam Coleman 02:28:28

I don't care.

Adam Coleman 02:28:29

That's right.

Adam Coleman 02:28:29

That's my party.

Will Spencer 02:28:30

That's right.

Adam Coleman 02:28:30

You know, I.

Adam Coleman 02:28:31

I've literally heard people say, your party.

Adam Coleman 02:28:33

And I.

Adam Coleman 02:28:33

And I say, I don't have party.

Adam Coleman 02:28:36

I'm.

Adam Coleman 02:28:36

I'm independent.

Will Spencer 02:28:37

That's right.

Adam Coleman 02:28:38

I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:28:38

I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:28:39

I've never identified as a republic.

Adam Coleman 02:28:42

The most that someone's ever seen me say is, I voted Republican once in my entire life.

Adam Coleman 02:28:47

That's it.

Adam Coleman 02:28:48

But I'm independent, so you can't attack on the party.

Adam Coleman 02:28:53

You can attack me, particularly on political ideology, because in some things, I'm pretty liberal.

Adam Coleman 02:28:59

On other things, I'm kind of conservative on.

Adam Coleman 02:29:02

I said, I'm independent, so you can't attack me as being part of this party and part of that party.

Adam Coleman 02:29:08

So, like, throughout the line, I don't pigeonhole myself into a particular box that someone can constantly attack.

Adam Coleman 02:29:19

So, which means you now have to attack what I say.

Adam Coleman 02:29:24

Right?

Adam Coleman 02:29:25

I've never worn the Trump hat.

Adam Coleman 02:29:27

I've never done.

Adam Coleman 02:29:28

I've never done any of these things.

Adam Coleman 02:29:30

I've purposely not set up a trap for myself.

Adam Coleman 02:29:34

And everything I've tweeted, I stand behind.

Adam Coleman 02:29:38

So attack what I said.

Adam Coleman 02:29:41

And that's the thing.

Adam Coleman 02:29:43

If you attack something and I didn't say it, well, then you're not attacking me.

Adam Coleman 02:29:47

You're attacking someone else.

Adam Coleman 02:29:50

And so.

Will Spencer 02:29:50

Or the avatar.

Adam Coleman 02:29:52

Yeah, taking the avatar.

Adam Coleman 02:29:54

So everything that I do on that platform is very much so thought about, I think about all this.

Adam Coleman 02:30:01

Early on, I would schedule my tweets.

Adam Coleman 02:30:05

I would do like.

Adam Coleman 02:30:06

I would schedule like three tweets in a given day, and there were times that I would schedule it, and then two hours later, I would go in and refine it because I want to add in a word so someone can't mistake, I said.

Adam Coleman 02:30:19

And so everything was perfectly crafted as to how I want to say it.

Adam Coleman 02:30:25

And I knew that crafting this way would elicit this particular response.

Adam Coleman 02:30:29

Now, whether it became a successful tweet or not is a different story.

Adam Coleman 02:30:32

But I care more about the response and less about the success of it.

Adam Coleman 02:30:36

The success will come, whatever.

Adam Coleman 02:30:39

But I cared more about the response.

Adam Coleman 02:30:41

And so I think if people were more crafty and thoughtful about what they put out, even down to just the particular word that they might use.

Adam Coleman 02:30:54

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:30:55

Because one word might assist someone to be angry.

Adam Coleman 02:30:57

One word elicit empathy.

Adam Coleman 02:31:00

And you could be talking about the same thing.

Adam Coleman 02:31:02

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:31:02

So that's where for me, the advantage of writing constantly and reading people and understanding, like when I said this, they're going to think this, or if I say this word, they're no longer going to consider the rest of what I say.

Adam Coleman 02:31:19

Because that's the thing too.

Adam Coleman 02:31:21

If you, if you use a word that is very polarizing, they forget everything else that you said.

Adam Coleman 02:31:27

They just focus on that word, you know, so it's.

Adam Coleman 02:31:30

That's a real thing too.

Will Spencer 02:31:34

Yeah, the cognitive red light.

Will Spencer 02:31:35

Like, as soon as I see that, I stop.

Will Spencer 02:31:37

So can I, Can I push on something that you said a little bit?

Adam Coleman 02:31:41

Sure.

Will Spencer 02:31:43

So.

Will Spencer 02:31:44

So I, I think it's.

Will Spencer 02:31:45

It's.

Will Spencer 02:31:45

I've noticed that your, Your identity less in your Twitter, and I've.

Will Spencer 02:31:49

I've felt that.

Will Spencer 02:31:50

That, I guess that presence, or it's not a lack of presence.

Will Spencer 02:31:54

I felt that character of your Twitter.

Will Spencer 02:31:55

So.

Will Spencer 02:31:56

So you.

Will Spencer 02:31:56

So you have the photo of Thomas Olap.

Will Spencer 02:31:58

You don't identify as a black conservative, and you don't build a lot on top of your blackness in general.

Will Spencer 02:32:04

But is that, is there not a way in which that is also a statement, considering so many black people today, it seems to me, and I mean, so many different groups are taught to build their identity on top of their identity.

Adam Coleman 02:32:16

Right.

Will Spencer 02:32:17

Is that, Is that not a statement in and of itself?

Will Spencer 02:32:19

I appreciate the statement, but is that not a statement in and of itself.

Adam Coleman 02:32:23

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Adam Coleman 02:32:24

It's.

Adam Coleman 02:32:25

It's a.

Adam Coleman 02:32:27

It's a statement, but it's.

Adam Coleman 02:32:28

It's a difficult statement to pin me down on.

Adam Coleman 02:32:34

Okay, I'm not over.

Adam Coleman 02:32:35

I'm not overtly saying I reject this.

Adam Coleman 02:32:40

I'm just not talking about it right much.

Adam Coleman 02:32:42

In the same way I don't talk about Israel and Palestine, not because I support Israel or I support Palestine, but I just don't talk about it.

Adam Coleman 02:32:53

So the, the absence of it just leaves people to, I don't know, think that either it doesn't matter that much to me or I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:33:02

I don't care, or I just care to share.

Adam Coleman 02:33:05

So this leaves a lot of misery behind it.

Adam Coleman 02:33:10

But like the, the race thing, see, this is.

Adam Coleman 02:33:15

All right, so this is the benefit of not just having Twitter to write and writing for other places, because Twitter is good for certain things, but it's not good for everything.

Adam Coleman 02:33:28

And so if people really want to attack me, they need to read the articles that I write, because then they'll really get the full grasp of what I think about stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:33:39

But my Twitter is only used for certain things at certain times because you can't have as much as people want.

Adam Coleman 02:33:45

You can't have every discussion on there.

Adam Coleman 02:33:48

Like, it's just going to evolve into stupidity.

Adam Coleman 02:33:52

So if you want to know how I feel about something, I'm going to get it published and put it here.

Adam Coleman 02:33:57

You go, read it and you make up your mind what you think about it.

Adam Coleman 02:34:00

Just call it a day.

Adam Coleman 02:34:02

So because of that, when I get accused of being a Trump sycophant, like, because one thing, that's the avatar they see, like, such and such follows you.

Adam Coleman 02:34:14

Such and such follows you.

Adam Coleman 02:34:15

So you must be a Trumper.

Adam Coleman 02:34:17

And this and this and that.

Adam Coleman 02:34:18

And I'm like, oh, if I'm a Trump sycophant, so read my article in the New York Post where I said that Ron DeSantis would be a better option than Donald Trump.

Adam Coleman 02:34:27

Here you go.

Adam Coleman 02:34:27

Here's the link.

Adam Coleman 02:34:30

You know, if I'm a Trump sick fan, how come I never voted for him?

Adam Coleman 02:34:34

Like, so it's just.

Adam Coleman 02:34:35

It's down.

Adam Coleman 02:34:36

It's down to these different things where I can.

Adam Coleman 02:34:39

I can literally hit somebody with a link and say, actually, not only did I state the opposite of what you're stating, I stated with one of the biggest publications in the country, the oldest paper in the country.

Adam Coleman 02:34:52

I'm very proud to say, oldest paper in the country.

Adam Coleman 02:34:54

So here you go.

Adam Coleman 02:34:56

I can Send you the newspaper clipping if you want.

Adam Coleman 02:34:58

You know, it's that kind of thing.

Adam Coleman 02:35:00

So that's where I kind of leave that stuff off Twitter, because I can't.

Adam Coleman 02:35:06

I can't have everything there.

Adam Coleman 02:35:08

Obviously I put links to articles that I write on Twitter, but to put stuff in Twitter statements and stuff like that and try to explain how I feel about everything.

Adam Coleman 02:35:17

Under.

Adam Coleman 02:35:18

Honestly, for some of the stuff, I don't even want feedback on it.

Adam Coleman 02:35:21

Like, I.

Adam Coleman 02:35:22

When I publish this stuff, these publications, I don't, I don't read comments.

Adam Coleman 02:35:27

I learned lesson one time I read the comments.

Adam Coleman 02:35:30

Probably wise.

Adam Coleman 02:35:31

Yeah, I.

Adam Coleman 02:35:32

I read it one time on for the New York Post, and it was something about giving thanks.

Adam Coleman 02:35:38

And I was like, oh, let me read the comments.

Adam Coleman 02:35:40

And I read the first comment, it was something insane.

Adam Coleman 02:35:42

And I was like, of course.

Adam Coleman 02:35:44

What?

Adam Coleman 02:35:45

Lesson learned.

Adam Coleman 02:35:47

Don't read the comments.

Adam Coleman 02:35:48

So literally everything that I put out there, I just.

Adam Coleman 02:35:51

I just don't read the comments.

Adam Coleman 02:35:52

If I put it for a publication, I don't read it.

Adam Coleman 02:35:56

This is how I feel.

Adam Coleman 02:35:57

You like it, you hate it.

Adam Coleman 02:35:58

I don't care.

Adam Coleman 02:36:00

I don't Google, search my name and see if people talking about me.

Adam Coleman 02:36:04

I prefer that people don't share stuff about what I'm saying, what saying about me.

Adam Coleman 02:36:10

Like I care.

Adam Coleman 02:36:12

Let them say whatever they want.

Adam Coleman 02:36:13

I don't care.

Adam Coleman 02:36:15

You know, this is for me.

Adam Coleman 02:36:17

I.

Adam Coleman 02:36:17

I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:36:18

I don't really care if try to bring it to me, I block them and I move on.

Adam Coleman 02:36:21

Don't even acknowledge them because I realize at that moment I'm more relevant and they want to get my attention.

Adam Coleman 02:36:29

They want me to fight with them and stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 02:36:31

And that's not my purpose here.

Adam Coleman 02:36:33

I.

Adam Coleman 02:36:33

I'm not here to fight with you.

Adam Coleman 02:36:35

So it's exactly why you don't see Twitter draw between me and anybody else.

Adam Coleman 02:36:40

I don't.

Adam Coleman 02:36:41

I just literally don't argue with people I might criticize, like some leftists.

Adam Coleman 02:36:47

But usually when I do that, I block them and I do a screenshot and move on.

Adam Coleman 02:36:52

This is that idea.

Adam Coleman 02:36:53

It's dumb, doesn't make sense.

Adam Coleman 02:36:54

Here's why.

Adam Coleman 02:36:55

And I move on with the rest of life.

Adam Coleman 02:36:57

So I.

Adam Coleman 02:36:59

Everything that I do on that website, it is carefully constructed because I ask myself, what is the purpose of this?

Adam Coleman 02:37:07

Right?

Adam Coleman 02:37:08

Is this beneficial to me?

Adam Coleman 02:37:10

It's a big question.

Adam Coleman 02:37:11

If I say this, what's the benefit from this?

Adam Coleman 02:37:15

And if there's no benefit, I just don't do it.

Adam Coleman 02:37:18

What's the benefit?

Adam Coleman 02:37:19

If I acknowledge the person, it's like when Roland Martin didn't like one of my pieces in the New York Post and he misframed what I was trying to say and I saw it like at three in the morning and I was like, to respond to Roland Martin.

Adam Coleman 02:37:34

No, Block went back to sleep.

Will Spencer 02:37:39

Bye.

Adam Coleman 02:37:39

And that's it, bro.

Will Spencer 02:37:40

Goodbye.

Adam Coleman 02:37:42

I don't care.

Adam Coleman 02:37:42

Go ahead, talk with, with your five actual interactive followers.

Adam Coleman 02:37:47

Go ahead and talk about me.

Adam Coleman 02:37:48

I don't care.

Adam Coleman 02:37:49

I'm going to go back to sleep next to my wife and enjoy my rest.

Adam Coleman 02:37:53

So, you know, it's that kind of thing.

Adam Coleman 02:37:56

I don't, I don't give people the time of day when it comes to stuff like this.

Adam Coleman 02:37:59

If you don't like it, then that's, that's your problem.

Will Spencer 02:38:04

Yeah, I have a similar thought process.

Will Spencer 02:38:06

Like if I'm going to post this, am I ready to take on all the consequences intended or otherwise from this post today?

Will Spencer 02:38:13

Like if I were to post this right now and this goes mega viral and it gets subjected to millions of views, like Twitter is the only platform in the world, I think, where you can write, where you have to write something knowing that no one might see it and everyone might see it at the same time.

Will Spencer 02:38:27

Like, it's impossible.

Will Spencer 02:38:28

It's impossible to write something that no one will see and everyone will see.

Will Spencer 02:38:32

Right.

Will Spencer 02:38:33

So for me it's like, ah, do I feel if this were to go viral today for whatever reason, do I really feel like dealing with it?

Will Spencer 02:38:40

No, I don't feel like with it today.

Will Spencer 02:38:43

So, you know, just like save it and draft or delete or something like that.

Will Spencer 02:38:46

Or sometimes I get lucky and, you know, sometimes I'll hit the wrong button, it'll get deleted on its own.

Will Spencer 02:38:51

I'm like, thanks, God, I appreciate you making that call for me.

Will Spencer 02:38:54

But it's a, it's a, it's a real thing to have to calculate that to say, oh, you know, given that, like you, I hold myself accountable for all my words.

Will Spencer 02:39:01

I posted it, I said it, this is on me.

Will Spencer 02:39:04

So, you know, on my podcast, these are my words, Instagram, email list, all of it.

Will Spencer 02:39:09

And so having that level of accountability means a certain degree of thoughtfulness.

Will Spencer 02:39:13

It can't just be hot takes, it can't just be like, I'm just going to pop off on this random person on this comment just for fun, because I have to be accountable for what happens with that comment.

Will Spencer 02:39:23

As you had to go through humbling yourself to reach out to that woman to say, hey, that was a moment where you were not thoughtful about what you were saying, or maybe you also didn't have all the information.

Will Spencer 02:39:33

You were not as thoughtful as you otherwise would have liked to be.

Will Spencer 02:39:35

And so you went back with thoughtfulness to make restitution and that.

Will Spencer 02:39:40

We don't want to make a policy out of that.

Will Spencer 02:39:42

Like you don't want to be doing that every day because the conscience hit of like, of dealing with it for an entire day of like the conscience nagging, you know, and that's not a bad thing.

Will Spencer 02:39:52

But the conscience saying like, hey, that wasn't so good.

Will Spencer 02:39:55

Like, oh, it's, it's, it's painful.

Will Spencer 02:39:57

It's really, really painful.

Will Spencer 02:39:59

And so I'd rather live in alignment and maybe not go as viral or maybe not be have as hot takes like, well, I would rather be accountable for my words than just be, you know, fire blasting everything out there and you know, yolo.

Adam Coleman 02:40:13

Yeah, exactly.

Adam Coleman 02:40:14

I have the same thought process.

Will Spencer 02:40:16

So do you want to talk about some of the work you do on Wrong Speak for a second?

Will Spencer 02:40:20

Because you mentioned that's where you have some of your more in depth thoughts.

Will Spencer 02:40:24

Maybe we can just talk about that for a bit.

Adam Coleman 02:40:26

Well, actually, with Wrong Speak, I started it.

Adam Coleman 02:40:31

I technically started while I was writing the book.

Adam Coleman 02:40:33

Then I took a hiatus.

Adam Coleman 02:40:36

It was mainly a place for me to kind of rant about stuff while I was writing the book.

Will Spencer 02:40:40

Sure.

Adam Coleman 02:40:41

But I, after the book, I want to turn into a platform and invite people to write.

Adam Coleman 02:40:49

Regular people, people who are aspiring to be writers.

Adam Coleman 02:40:52

I was just inviting people to tell their story, their, their viewpoints, whatever.

Adam Coleman 02:40:57

And with the premise that it's free speech, intellectual thought.

Adam Coleman 02:41:02

So, you know, I, you know, we talk about hate speech and stuff like that.

Adam Coleman 02:41:07

White supremacy, for example.

Adam Coleman 02:41:10

It's not intellectual.

Adam Coleman 02:41:11

It's very stupid.

Adam Coleman 02:41:13

Right.

Adam Coleman 02:41:13

Just so that's why I'm like, yes, we're free speech ish.

Adam Coleman 02:41:19

You know, like, obviously some guys, like, let me tell you about being a Nazi is great.

Adam Coleman 02:41:24

Like obviously we wouldn't publish that because that's not very intellectual.

Adam Coleman 02:41:27

Right.

Will Spencer 02:41:28

That's really.

Adam Coleman 02:41:29

So that's why, you know, the pursuit for free speech in its absolute form, I understand to an extent, but I also understand that a platform like X can't be profitable in the long run.

Adam Coleman 02:41:44

It's going to come to a point where Elon's going to have to make stronger rules regarding speech or he's going to have to implement even stronger freedom of speech, but not reach policies that might piss off other people to make those particular people the people who's pop in and say the Jews did everything Those guys back to gab and just.

Adam Coleman 02:42:13

And wherever.

Adam Coleman 02:42:14

But as far as once we goes, we encourage people to submit articles.

Adam Coleman 02:42:20

Most of the articles are voluntary, just regular people who want to write, who want to express themselves.

Adam Coleman 02:42:28

We got into news for a bit, getting some journalists to highlight stories that are interesting, not necessarily clickbaity.

Adam Coleman 02:42:37

And we're trying to dabble with book publishing.

Adam Coleman 02:42:43

So not just my book, but we have one other book here, the Luminesque Manual, Elizabeth Lang, which is a fictional book, Aurelian and its take.

Adam Coleman 02:42:56

So, you know, we're trying to be a springboard.

Adam Coleman 02:43:02

I think that's kind of the best way.

Adam Coleman 02:43:03

A lot of people want to be the best at this and the best this and the top this, where I care more about the creators.

Adam Coleman 02:43:13

I care more about giving them an opportunity to be seen.

Adam Coleman 02:43:17

So we've had people who've had articles seen by, especially the Federalists, where the Federalists reached out to me, like, hey, can you connect me to this writer?

Adam Coleman 02:43:27

And I help them.

Adam Coleman 02:43:28

I've had writers reach out to me asking, can you connect me to this publication?

Adam Coleman 02:43:32

And I try to help them.

Adam Coleman 02:43:35

So try to foster an environment where we're helping to support different people.

Adam Coleman 02:43:44

And much in the way as I've caught some success, I use my name to kind of pay it forward for other people.

Adam Coleman 02:43:52

So, for example, I.

Adam Coleman 02:43:57

I have three editors.

Adam Coleman 02:44:02

All three editors live in different places.

Adam Coleman 02:44:06

But I went to a convention in Phoenix.

Adam Coleman 02:44:09

I got my editor that lives in Arizona a pass to come in, and we met in person.

Adam Coleman 02:44:15

I did an event last year in Memphis.

Adam Coleman 02:44:18

I got one of my editors a pass and the flight to come into Memphis to be with us to meet in person, come to a convention.

Adam Coleman 02:44:28

This year, went to Vegas.

Adam Coleman 02:44:29

I got another editor pass and I paid for it to come out to Vegas to help sell books and be on a panel as well, introduce these people to people within the media that I've met and get their name out there, interact people.

Adam Coleman 02:44:50

And none of that would have been possible without wrong speed.

Adam Coleman 02:44:55

And for two of my editors, when I met them, they were anonymous.

Adam Coleman 02:45:01

One of them used some random screen name in an avatar.

Adam Coleman 02:45:06

Now she uses her full name and her picture.

Adam Coleman 02:45:09

The second one used her picture but an alias.

Adam Coleman 02:45:13

And I convinced her to, well, and here's the thing, say convinced.

Adam Coleman 02:45:17

I actually didn't tell them to do it.

Adam Coleman 02:45:20

They asked me, should I do it?

Adam Coleman 02:45:21

Because they were looking at me like, adam's a regular guy using his real name and everything.

Adam Coleman 02:45:25

And I'm like, listen, don't be so scared.

Adam Coleman 02:45:30

And they on their Own came to me one day and said, you know what?

Adam Coleman 02:45:35

I'm gonna.

Adam Coleman 02:45:35

I'm gonna use my real name and my picture.

Adam Coleman 02:45:37

I'm like, go for it.

Adam Coleman 02:45:40

And they did.

Adam Coleman 02:45:41

And I.

Adam Coleman 02:45:41

And since then, they don't regret and they feel so much freer because hiding, Hiding yourself is so restrictive in having.

Adam Coleman 02:45:52

Fearful that someone is going to do something.

Adam Coleman 02:45:54

Like, it's like, no, that's part of the problem of censorship is self censorship.

Adam Coleman 02:46:00

It's making you scared that something's going to happen to you.

Adam Coleman 02:46:03

It's taking that horror story of that poor person who got canceled and making you think that's common rather than being extremely rare that that's going to happen.

Adam Coleman 02:46:12

So, like, that is how they win, is by making you scared.

Adam Coleman 02:46:17

So don't be scared.

Adam Coleman 02:46:20

And if you're.

Adam Coleman 02:46:21

That's why for me, if someone attempted to.

Adam Coleman 02:46:26

It's hard for someone to attempt to cancel now.

Adam Coleman 02:46:29

Especially because I've been so open and vulnerable about my life and writing for major publications.

Adam Coleman 02:46:36

I'm not hiding.

Adam Coleman 02:46:38

So the people who are, who are the biggest victims of cancer culture, the people who are trying to hide and they have something that they're.

Adam Coleman 02:46:48

Whether it be a job that they have that it's really precious of them, they don't want, that's when they come even harder.

Adam Coleman 02:46:53

We're going to take that from you because you're scared of it.

Adam Coleman 02:46:57

And for me, I'm like, man, I've had nothing.

Adam Coleman 02:47:01

I've had absolutely nothing.

Adam Coleman 02:47:02

Like, go ahead and take it.

Adam Coleman 02:47:04

Like, I.

Adam Coleman 02:47:06

It sucks, sure, but I'll be okay.

Adam Coleman 02:47:09

I'll be okay.

Adam Coleman 02:47:10

And now I'm not by myself.

Adam Coleman 02:47:12

I have a lovely family, my wife and everything to back me up as well, which is extremely beneficial.

Adam Coleman 02:47:19

But even if I didn't have her, like, I, I wouldn't be scared.

Adam Coleman 02:47:24

Um, because I think being scared is how they come after you.

Adam Coleman 02:47:29

Um, when you're hiding and don't want to be canceled, that's when they come harder.

Adam Coleman 02:47:33

But I, I, from the very beginning, I was prepared for this.

Adam Coleman 02:47:38

I used my real name.

Adam Coleman 02:47:39

I used my face.

Adam Coleman 02:47:41

My real face is what I really look like.

Adam Coleman 02:47:43

I've always been transparent about my life and things that I've done.

Adam Coleman 02:47:47

I talk about my faults.

Adam Coleman 02:47:48

I talk about things that I did wrong.

Adam Coleman 02:47:51

I talk about my progress, my success and failures, everything.

Adam Coleman 02:47:55

So it's hard to try to cancel me because I'm not scared.

Adam Coleman 02:48:00

Like, I'm not hiding something.

Adam Coleman 02:48:03

So it's.

Adam Coleman 02:48:05

And on top of that, I'm not.

Adam Coleman 02:48:06

I'm not that controversial.

Adam Coleman 02:48:07

Like, I really noticed Right.

Will Spencer 02:48:14

It's a blessing to be able to use.

Will Spencer 02:48:15

I think, what you said earlier about integrity and confidence and the path that you've walked and having Christ and travel, like all of these pieces kind of come together to have you standing on a stable platform that you treat responsibly as a human being and treating other human beings as human beings.

Will Spencer 02:48:34

And so that gives you.

Will Spencer 02:48:36

And of course, you're using your real face and your real name, and so there's nothing really to be found out.

Will Spencer 02:48:41

There's no place really for them to go.

Will Spencer 02:48:43

And you're on solid foundation, say, within yourself, and you're on solid foundation with God and your conscience.

Will Spencer 02:48:49

Right.

Will Spencer 02:48:49

And you're in a solid foundation with your family.

Will Spencer 02:48:52

It's those men that need to be fighting, and men need to get to that place before they can start fighting, before they can start really fighting.

Will Spencer 02:49:01

And I think that there's such a need for that, because those men can create a sense of safety for others around them to then use their voice like, yes, I'll take this for you.

Will Spencer 02:49:11

Right.

Will Spencer 02:49:11

I'll take.

Will Spencer 02:49:12

Oh, I will take the heat.

Will Spencer 02:49:13

I will draw the fire, because I'm in a stable foundation.

Will Spencer 02:49:16

Then just come and join me and let's all push these ideas together.

Will Spencer 02:49:20

To me, that's.

Will Spencer 02:49:21

That's one of the definitions of leadership today.

Adam Coleman 02:49:25

Yeah, I agree with him.

Will Spencer 02:49:27

Well, this has been a fantastic conversation.

Will Spencer 02:49:30

I greatly appreciate your generosity of time and generosity of spirit.

Will Spencer 02:49:35

We didn't talk about any of the things that I expected we would, but we talked about far better things.

Will Spencer 02:49:39

And so I appreciate the.

Will Spencer 02:49:41

I appreciate the opportunity to connect on so many different aspects of life that are important to me, and to discover that they were also important to you was.

Will Spencer 02:49:49

Was a great blessing and a great surprise.

Will Spencer 02:49:50

So thank you.

Adam Coleman 02:49:52

Thank you.

Adam Coleman 02:49:53

I do appreciate you as well.

Will Spencer 02:49:55

So where would you like to send people to find out more about what you have about you and what you do?

Adam Coleman 02:50:01

Definitely on Twitter or whatever you want to call it at.

Adam Coleman 02:50:04

Wrong.

Adam Coleman 02:50:05

Underscore Speak.

Adam Coleman 02:50:07

I'm on Substack.

Adam Coleman 02:50:09

You can go to ww.com or Adam B.

Adam Coleman 02:50:13

Coleman substack.com because the same place.

Adam Coleman 02:50:18

And my brick bread series on YouTube.

Adam Coleman 02:50:23

You can go there YouTube.com/speak and you can watch the different episodes just real quick.

Adam Coleman 02:50:31

Breaking Bread is a series that I started doing.

Adam Coleman 02:50:34

I basically sit down, enjoy a deal with people, and we talk politics, life, culture, religion, whatever.

Adam Coleman 02:50:41

It's in person only.

Adam Coleman 02:50:43

So they sometimes come to my house.

Adam Coleman 02:50:46

I travel there.

Adam Coleman 02:50:47

This weekend, I'm going to D.C.

Adam Coleman 02:50:49

and I'll be sitting down with one or two people.

Adam Coleman 02:50:53

So it's a very casual, nice experience.

Adam Coleman 02:51:00

And I'm basically a one man, one man show as far as setting up the equipment and all this other stuff and learning that over the past year.

Adam Coleman 02:51:11

And this is, this is one of the cameras that I use too.

Will Spencer 02:51:16

Do you bring lights with you?

Will Spencer 02:51:17

Just real quick, I saw, I saw a bunch of those.

Will Spencer 02:51:19

I wasn't sure what they were, but it was like, wow, this is someone's actual house.

Will Spencer 02:51:22

Like, this isn't a set.

Will Spencer 02:51:24

Like, what a, what a thing to be invited so far into someone's life.

Will Spencer 02:51:26

But do you bring lights with you or is it just the camera?

Will Spencer 02:51:29

Do you find a well lit spot?

Adam Coleman 02:51:31

So over the past year has been a progression and upgrading stuff and I completely underwhelmed lighting and so I invested in a light I'm using right now.

Adam Coleman 02:51:46

I invested in this light.

Adam Coleman 02:51:48

Awesome time ago.

Adam Coleman 02:51:49

And man, I'm so glad I did that.

Adam Coleman 02:51:51

I was like, oh, this is so much better.

Adam Coleman 02:51:53

Yeah, it's so much better because before I was trying to use natural light and then, you know, the sun would move and then it would just be all this other stuff.

Adam Coleman 02:52:00

So now I'll be traveling with a couple of boom mics.

Adam Coleman 02:52:06

I got three cameras.

Adam Coleman 02:52:07

I got the big light here, you know, I got my sound recorder.

Adam Coleman 02:52:14

I got like, I have a whole, a whole setup.

Adam Coleman 02:52:17

And what's crazy is I take it on the road too.

Adam Coleman 02:52:20

I, I, I just, I was just in Atlanta.

Adam Coleman 02:52:23

I've been to Florida a couple times.

Adam Coleman 02:52:27

I've been to London twice with it, you know, so I've, I've traveled a bunch with this setup as well as dc.

Adam Coleman 02:52:35

I've been dc, like, I think this would be my fourth time filming in DC for Brain Bread.

Adam Coleman 02:52:41

So I, I'm always ticking on the road as well as inviting people into my home to sit down and have a conversation.

Will Spencer 02:52:49

Well, it's a great looking series and I look forward to checking out.

Will Spencer 02:52:53

It looks like some very personal conversations.

Adam Coleman 02:52:55

Yep.

Adam Coleman 02:52:56

Yeah.

Adam Coleman 02:52:56

Thank you.

Will Spencer 02:52:57

Great.

Will Spencer 02:52:58

Well, thank you very much, Adam.

Will Spencer 02:52:59

I appreciate it.

Adam Coleman 02:53:00

My pleasure.

Adam Coleman 02:53:08

Sa.