Adam Coleman, founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and author of "From Black Victim to Black Victor," joins Will Spencer to discuss the importance of personal empowerment and the responsibility that comes with having a voice in today's digital landscape.
Coleman shares his journey from agnosticism to faith, emphasizing how his experiences shaped his perspective on truth and grace. The conversation touches on the challenges of navigating social media, the necessity of sincerity in communication, and the profound impact of sharing personal stories.
Coleman highlights the significance of empathy and understanding in addressing complex social issues, urging listeners to engage thoughtfully rather than react impulsively. Through their dialogue, both Spencer and Coleman advocate for a more compassionate approach to discourse, recognizing the power of their platforms to inspire and uplift others.
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Hello, my name is Will Spencer, and welcome to the Will Spencer Podcast.
Will SpencerThis is a weekly show featuring in depth conversations with authors, leaders and influencers who help us understand our changing world.
Will SpencerNew episodes release every Friday.
Will SpencerMy guest this week is Adam Coleman, founder of Wrong Speak publishing, contributor to the New York Post, Newsweek, and Daily Mail, and the author of From Black Victim to Black Identifying the ideologies, behavioral patterns, and cultural norms that encourage a victimhood complex.
Will SpencerHaving a social media platform carries real responsibility.
Will SpencerSure, there's always the temptation to post hot takes, crying videos, or pure clickbait.
Will SpencerAnd if you think engagement is a drug, influence is something else entirely.
Will SpencerBut behind every social media post, or human beings, lots of them, yes, there are bots, federal agents, and trolls who want you gone.
Will SpencerBut mixed in are actual people made in God's image, who we can edify, inspire, and even lead to Christ.
Will SpencerThis January, I wrote a tweet about India that got 23 million views.
Will SpencerFor context, a typical tweet, like about the laundry gets around 1500 views.
Will SpencerA good one might hit 5 or 6000.
Will SpencerSomething viral might reach tens or even hundreds of thousands.
Will SpencerBut 23 million?
Will SpencerThat's the entire population of Florida, which means my tweet went truly global.
Will SpencerThat tweet, by God's grace, doubled my Twitter followers overnight to 28,000.
Will SpencerCombined with Instagram and YouTube, it's given me a mega microphone and a significant status.
Will SpencerI've been soul searching about this power to reach millions with something I wrote at a burger shop.
Will SpencerNow I've concluded that a platform is God's gift.
Will SpencerNo one can force a viral tweet.
Will SpencerIt's God's sovereignty.
Will SpencerWorking through the algorithm, he chooses what spreads and who sees it, including you.
Will SpencerRight now.
Will SpencerMaybe that's too granular, but I see no other way to view it, especially when believing that work is worship, which I do.
Will SpencerIn other words, I see your attention as a gift that I'm called to steward.
Will SpencerYou could be doing literally anything else right now, so thank you very much for being here.
Will SpencerThe question then becomes, what am I going to do with that attention?
Will SpencerIn a way that glorifies God, the temptation of social media is to glorify ourselves, our opinions, our wit, our bodies, our wealth, and more.
Will SpencerBut a post Millennial mindset calls us to build Christ's kingdom online as much as anywhere, starting with how and why we speak through these digital microphones.
Will SpencerIt's a bit like the question, if I pull the sword from the stone, will I become a tyrant?
Will SpencerSocial media instead asks, with this platform, will I speak the truth in love.
Will SpencerWhich brings me back to my guest, Adam Coleman.
Will SpencerDespite Wrong Speak's name, he's not trying to be provocative.
Will SpencerHe's thoughtful, wanting to humanize social media and extend more grace.
Will SpencerHe encourages men taking responsibility for what we post.
Will SpencerNow, some might say this approach will fail when it's easier to attack those we disagree with, but Adam's massive Twitter following suggests otherwise.
Will SpencerThrough Wrong Speak publishing, Adam is meeting a crucial need.
Will SpencerHe demonstrates that speaking the truth in love can still have an impact when it's seasoned with salt, so to speak.
Will SpencerIt's like a combination of the earthly and the divine, which I think is a model that will edify, inspire, and perhaps even sanctify us.
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Will SpencerOne quick note before we begin.
Will SpencerThere were some recording errors that my platform couldn't repair.
Will SpencerWhile they're mostly minor, some listeners might notice them.
Will SpencerI considered re recording, but there are some powerful moments here that really show who Adam is.
Will SpencerMoments I didn't think we could recapture.
Will SpencerLightning in a bottle, you might say.
Will SpencerSo I chose to keep this conversation intact, trusting that the truth will shine through.
Will SpencerLet me know if you think this was the right call at infoon of men.com and please welcome this week's guest on the podcast, the founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor Adam Coleman.
Will SpencerAdam, thanks so much for joining me on the podcast today.
Adam ColemanMy pleasure.
Adam ColemanThanks for inviting me on.
Will SpencerWe followed each other on Twitter for a while and I think last week we connected over some political stuff and I just reached out on a lark to see if you wanted to come on and have a chat and this week turned out to be the good one.
Will SpencerSo I'm really looking forward to this conversation.
Will SpencerI've gone through a lot of your writing and your tweets and I think we have a lot of great stuff to talk about.
Adam ColemanYeah, I'm looking forward to.
Adam ColemanActually, I'm glad that you did reach out.
Will SpencerSo I think the first question that I wanted to start with is I actually have a lot of questions about your book because we're in this hypercharged political environment where we have, on one side, we have victim ideologies in all of its various forms.
Will SpencerOn one side of the political equation, it feels like, and on the other side of the political equation, we have personal empowerment, self development, self determination.
Will SpencerAnd it seems like these attitudes have super crystallized on both the left and the right.
Will SpencerAnd into that you have this book that's speaking right into an experience of the black community that I think a lot of people need to hear.
Will SpencerSo I wonder if we can just start by talking about what inspired the book and kind of what's in it and also the success you've had with it.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanSo what inspired it, I guess, is the events of George Floyd.
Adam ColemanNot necessarily his death, but the reaction to his death and the narratives that kind of spring from it.
Adam ColemanAnd it was one of the first times where I felt like I wasn't allowed to express myself.
Adam ColemanRather than me choosing not to express myself, the book became a.
Adam ColemanWhat's the best word I'm looking for?
Adam ColemanI guess it became a byproduct of finally finding my voice.
Adam ColemanI initially went on to different free speech forums to first find out if I'm crazy.
Adam ColemanLike, am I the only one who sees, like, this is bullshit?
Adam ColemanAm I the only one that's trying to make sense of this?
Adam ColemanAnd I was able to articulate it well.
Adam ColemanAnd I got encouragement from people to write more often because of it.
Adam ColemanAnd I remember having an idea of writing book as like a legacy thing for my son, but I didn't know what to write about.
Adam ColemanAnd so I was like, I think this is it.
Adam ColemanYou know, a matter of fact, one of the people who's encouraging me was a pastor.
Adam ColemanI believe he was out in Illinois.
Adam ColemanHe was very supportive of my writings and he encouraged me too.
Adam ColemanAnd though people understand at the time, I wouldn't necessarily have.
Adam ColemanI was just coming out of being agnostic and willing to acknowledge that God exists.
Adam ColemanBut I wasn't.
Adam ColemanI wasn't a Christian at that point.
Adam ColemanSo having, and this is a reoccurring theme since then, having Christians reach out to me in a heartfelt way was extremely beneficial throughout this particular journey.
Adam ColemanBut just as a side note, but that's kind of what started the journey to writing a book.
Adam ColemanIt took me about nine months, start to finish.
Adam ColemanI self published it.
Adam ColemanI had zero expectations.
Adam ColemanMy background's in id.
Adam ColemanI was an IT manager for small business.
Adam ColemanMy career was going fine.
Adam ColemanI wasn't trying to switch careers or do anything like that.
Adam ColemanI just wanted to write a book.
Adam ColemanAnd I would have been happy if, you know, 20 people outside of my friends and family bought it and liked it.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, the 20 people have turned into thousands since and, you know, turned into writing opportunities from major publications.
Adam ColemanActually, just before we came on here, I just got the final edit for my latest piece for the Europe Post.
Adam ColemanYou know, and writing for them for the past two years has been, like, an unsuspected blessing.
Adam ColemanOne of the funny things, while I was writing the book, I had a friend that I was talking to on Facebook, and she was like, you should.
Adam ColemanYou should write an article for the New York Post.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, it would never have me.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's just like.
Adam ColemanAnd.
Adam ColemanAnd what's hilarious about connecting with New York Post, I was even trying to.
Adam ColemanIt was kind of accident.
Adam ColemanI had an article that was rejected somewhere else, and I was like, maybe the New York Post have me.
Adam ColemanAnd I just name dropped somebody.
Adam ColemanAnd that's how it all began.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah.
Adam ColemanSo to kind of answer your question, that's how I initially started.
Adam ColemanExpectations were extremely low, and they're still low, which is why I'm always happy, because I expect nothing from this.
Adam ColemanAnd I've just been blessed for the past number of years now, since 2020, and all the people that I've come across and opportunities and places that I've gone because of it.
Will SpencerThere's so much in that answer that I want to ask about, including, like, the headspace that you were in during 2020.
Will SpencerI was in a similar space.
Will SpencerI wasn't a Christian yet, but the events around George Floyd kind of played into that.
Will SpencerThe process of writing the book, like, what you felt you were crazy about, but then also kind of the process of going from like an IT manager at a small company to a public figure.
Will SpencerLike, that wasn't something that you were seeking.
Will SpencerAnd I imagine maybe I'll ask about that first.
Will SpencerIt wasn't something that maybe came naturally to you, or was it?
Adam ColemanYou know, it's very interesting because while writing the book, obviously, like, the pandemic is going on.
Adam ColemanI'm watching the news, and everything's crazy.
Adam ColemanYeah, people are being canceled and all this other stuff.
Adam ColemanI didn't tell anybody that I was writing my book, except for a handful of people.
Adam ColemanI didn't even tell my mother.
Adam ColemanI didn't tell my sister.
Adam ColemanI didn't tell any of my family.
Adam ColemanMy wife knew, a couple of my friends knew.
Adam ColemanAnd I would send them bits and pieces of chapters.
Adam ColemanI was Writing as I was writing it, see what they thought.
Adam ColemanBut after that, I didn't tell anybody.
Adam ColemanI didn't tell my job.
Adam ColemanI didn't tell anyone.
Adam ColemanAnd throughout that time, I was mentally prepared.
Adam ColemanAnd I also let my.
Adam ColemanShe's my wife now, but she's my girlfriend at the time.
Adam ColemanI let her know that there's possibility I could lose my job because of this.
Adam ColemanYou know, there may be people who are going to be really pissed off with me who want to leave me.
Adam ColemanFriends, family, I don't know.
Adam ColemanBut I was so comfortable with myself that I was okay with that.
Adam ColemanI felt the need.
Adam ColemanThis is what I'm supposed to be doing.
Adam ColemanIt's okay if I do this, because if I don't do it, I feel like I'll be letting myself down in many ways letting my son down.
Adam ColemanSo as far as preparing myself to be a public figure, I was comfortable because I had settled with the idea of receiving public scrutiny months prior to even publishing the book, and even personal scrutiny.
Adam ColemanI was prepared for that.
Adam ColemanAnd I was okay with that by the time the book was published.
Adam ColemanSo when I get people who come after me, usually it's not even for the book.
Adam ColemanIt's some weirdos online.
Adam ColemanBut when I get racial hatred, when I get, you know, calling and stuff like that, I am so comfortable with myself and what I say in my decisions.
Adam ColemanNot that I'm always right, but I'm saying it for particular reason.
Adam ColemanI could be wrong, but I'm so comfortable with myself that these things don't bother me whatsoever.
Adam ColemanAnd for people to understand my background, where I.
Adam ColemanWhere I've come from and all the things that I've overcome personally, like losing my job wouldn't be the first time I lost my job.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm still here and I'm okay.
Adam ColemanLosing some friends wouldn't be the first time I lost some friends.
Adam ColemanIt's okay.
Adam ColemanI'm still here.
Adam ColemanYour mean words on the Internet for stranger that I don't know, you know, it's like that.
Adam ColemanThese things don't bother me whatsoever.
Adam ColemanSo I don't fear the mob.
Adam ColemanI don't fear being canceled or anything like that.
Adam ColemanAnd even more so that now that I'm a Christian, I am.
Adam ColemanI'm especially fearless because I know Jesus Christ is bomb side.
Adam ColemanAnd even looking back, I know he's always been there.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah, I wasn't prepared necessarily to be a public figure because I didn't.
Adam ColemanI didn't think I would find anywhere close to the success that I've been.
Adam ColemanI've Been blessed to have, but I wasn't afraid of it either.
Will SpencerWell, praise God.
Will SpencerI can relate to some of that.
Will SpencerI came out of the new age and sort of the spiritual communities, and I had a feeling that speaking up on behalf of Christ would be costly.
Will SpencerBut I knew who I was.
Will SpencerI knew what I had been through.
Will SpencerI knew what I had to say.
Will SpencerAnd when you have that unshakable inner core of self knowledge, like real self knowledge, acknowledges the good and the bad and the past and all these things, it's much easier to speak up on behalf of these things because, as you said, you know, the mean words on the Internet, they don't really land.
Will SpencerAnd that's the real virtue of integrity, right?
Adam ColemanYeah, exactly.
Adam ColemanWhen you're.
Adam ColemanWhen you're secure with yourself, like all these things, like, I've become very, very aware of people who are insecure because I've been insecure.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanAnd we're insecure.
Adam ColemanThe outside world bothers you, right?
Adam ColemanThe outside world can sway your emotions easily.
Adam ColemanHow you gain value is off of something that you bought, off of what someone says to you.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's.
Adam ColemanEverything is external.
Adam ColemanIf women validate you, you know, everything is external.
Adam ColemanAnd so when you're comfortable with yourself and you're confident, which.
Adam ColemanWhich I am, you know, which took me decades to even come to this point, like, those things don't bother me.
Adam ColemanYou know, those things bother me.
Adam ColemanLike, I am not.
Adam ColemanI'm not desperate for this.
Adam ColemanI'm not desperate for that.
Adam ColemanEven when I was dating my wife, I wasn't desperate that she wouldn't leave.
Adam ColemanI wasn't.
Adam ColemanI wasn't feeling that particular way.
Adam ColemanI was confident.
Adam ColemanAnd I was saying I was doing things like saying I was actually vetting my wife.
Adam ColemanAnd we've talked about this, so this is not new to her.
Adam ColemanBut I asked her particular questions because I wanted to know.
Adam ColemanBecause I want to marry her, but I wanted to know for sure that this is what she wants, because this is what I want.
Adam ColemanSo we need to be on the same page.
Adam ColemanBut I had never done it before because I was always insecure.
Adam ColemanI was.
Adam ColemanWell, whatever she wants, I don't want her to leave.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanEverything is in reaction to that.
Adam ColemanSo I just say all that to say that I'm completely comfortable with myself.
Adam ColemanI'm comfortable with what I put out there.
Adam ColemanAnd I kind of welcome the people who criticize me because often the criticisms are unfounded criticisms.
Adam ColemanThey're not legitimate.
Adam ColemanThey're not pointing out where I actually was wrong.
Adam ColemanAnd they make sense.
Adam ColemanOh, okay, yeah, I was wrong here.
Adam ColemanThey're usually just attacks, and I call it the attacking the Avatar.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanThey're not attacking you.
Adam ColemanThey're attacking what you represent.
Adam ColemanAnd so I don't.
Adam ColemanI especially then, I don't take a personal.
Adam ColemanYou know, you always know when they're taking the Avatar, when they attack something that you never said, you never claimed.
Adam ColemanYou know, things like that.
Adam ColemanIt's like, oh, okay, I see what's happening here.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah.
Will SpencerOne of the things that I read on one of your Twitter threads was that you actually, you hadn't seen your father since you were 16, or maybe he had passed away when you were 16.
Will SpencerAnd so that's a pretty remarkable accomplishment to be able to find that inner self, knowing that confidence, and growing up fatherless and then to have your father pass away.
Will SpencerThis is.
Will SpencerThis is brilliant because I look to talk to men who have been through this journey.
Will SpencerIt's.
Will SpencerIt's one that I think many other men, many, many other men need to go on.
Will SpencerSo maybe can you talk a little bit about how you develop that confidence, going from essentially a fatherless situation to finding yourself in this place?
Will SpencerBecause more men need to figure out how to get themselves to where you are.
Adam ColemanLike I said, it took decades.
Adam ColemanI spent the vast majority of my life feeling unsure about myself, questioning myself, insecure, not trusting myself.
Adam ColemanYou know, I've told people, you know, I turned 40 August 1st.
Will SpencerHappy birthday.
Adam ColemanThank you.
Adam ColemanI told someone I probably didn't become a man until I was about 34.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanAnd people are like, what do you mean by that?
Adam ColemanBut like, where I felt.
Adam ColemanI started feeling.
Adam ColemanSure.
Adam ColemanIn myself, like, what I was doing, you know, so as far as that.
Adam ColemanThat particular journey, there were.
Adam ColemanThere were big pivotal points.
Adam ColemanTwo of those points was therapy.
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI was suffering from panic attacks at one point at a job that I was.
Adam ColemanThat I had at a telecommunications company.
Adam ColemanAnd I went on leave because, you know, my job was to help me, you know, to alter my role, you know, to kind of alleviate the stress that I was feeling.
Adam ColemanAnd then one day I was at home, and I knew I needed to leave to do something like an errand.
Adam ColemanAnd I felt scared to leave my house.
Adam ColemanAnd it was the first time I ever felt scared.
Adam ColemanNot lazy, but just, like, scared.
Adam ColemanAnd I said, oh, no, that's not good.
Adam ColemanAnd so I immediately looked for a therapist.
Adam ColemanAnd I went to that therapist for a number of months.
Adam ColemanBut my first sessions, I think for the first month, I went three times a week, if I remember correctly.
Adam ColemanWow.
Adam ColemanBecause every time I Went because I thought I was going there because of my job.
Adam ColemanBut every time I went, I was going way back in my past for things that were unresolved.
Adam ColemanAnd I was.
Adam ColemanI think I cried in every session for three weeks straight, like, yeah.
Adam ColemanAnd the person that was my therapist at the time, she was very motherly.
Adam ColemanAnd I felt comfortable doing that in front of her.
Adam ColemanBut I needed to go through that.
Adam ColemanI needed to resolve these things, needed to not have extreme anger or resentment or anything towards my father.
Adam ColemanYou know, I had some issues with my mother as well, and I had to learn to kind of deal with some of these things as well.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, therapy was a really big step.
Adam ColemanAnother big thing for me was I had.
Adam ColemanI mean, there's just so much, so many things, because it took such a long time.
Adam ColemanBut one of the big, pivotal things was actually I had social anxiety.
Adam ColemanBut I didn't realize I had social anxiety.
Adam ColemanIt just felt like it was part of me.
Adam ColemanLike, it, you know, oh, I'm just like this, you know, so you don't even question it.
Adam ColemanAnd it wasn't until after a bad breakup, I had moved back home.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, you know what?
Adam ColemanLet me try to rediscover myself, because I felt lost in that relationship.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's one of those relationships where you did everything she wanted to do.
Adam ColemanYou were around her family, everything surrounding her life, and then all that's taken away.
Adam ColemanYou don't know who you are.
Adam ColemanLike, what do I even like doing?
Adam ColemanSo to kind of like, rediscover myself and my interests and things like that.
Adam ColemanI was curious about learning German, so I started learning German.
Adam ColemanAnd then I always wanted to go to Europe, so I planned a trip to go to Europe.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, I'm going.
Adam ColemanAnd you know, the kind of the cliff version after.
Adam ColemanI wasn't supposed to go alone.
Adam ColemanI was supposed to go with someone.
Adam ColemanThey weren't able to go, but I still had bought my ticket on.
Adam ColemanI was like, I'm still going, but bouncing around Europe by myself where everything is different.
Adam ColemanI've never been to anywhere.
Adam ColemanAt these places I know anyone.
Adam ColemanAnd accomplishing all that.
Adam ColemanAnd when I came back home, I felt at peace because what I didn't realize, it was kind of like throw me in the deep end.
Adam ColemanAnd I learned how to swim in that particular way.
Adam ColemanAnd I wasn't afraid of water.
Adam ColemanAnd so after experiencing that, I was kind of like, I'm not scared, and I want to go through that feeling of discovering new things.
Adam ColemanAnd so I just kept traveling I kept traveling, and then I'd go to new places, and then I would meet people and I became friends with people, and then I would go back to the same places.
Adam ColemanSo, like, I've been to Berlin six, seven times, made friends with some people there, to Barcelona three or four times.
Adam ColemanI can't remember now.
Adam ColemanThat's how many times I've been.
Adam ColemanI just lose track, you know, I've been to a bunch of different places on repeat because I met people.
Adam ColemanAnd then I've had a couple of fortunate situations where some of those people actually came to the United States and I hosted them at my home, you know, so, like, I've made really good connections with people, and that's when I really started understanding one not to be scared of the world, and teaching my son not to be scared of the world and learning that there's more to this than just myself, because it's about the.
Adam ColemanIt's about the connections.
Adam ColemanIt's about the human connections.
Adam ColemanYou know, I had a travel blog for a short period of time, and the subtitle was It's About Human Connection.
Adam ColemanAnd I really started to understand that.
Adam ColemanAnd for me, traveling wasn't a superficial thing where I come back to people, all the places that I went and take Instagram photos, but I went back to places because I really like these people.
Adam ColemanI wanted to learn more about the people.
Adam ColemanI had deep conversations with individuals that I met one time and never saw again.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's so many profound experiences, so many stories just from traveling by myself that, you know, I.
Adam ColemanI'm so grateful that I was able to experience.
Adam ColemanAnd now I get to share that with my wife, who never traveled before me, and the way.
Adam ColemanEspecially in the way that I travel, and she's got me, my friends, and then obviously doing stuff like this.
Adam ColemanI've met an Italian friend that I met from Twitter after doing all this, and we went to Milan and they showed us around.
Adam ColemanAnd then my wife had to go to Milan for work, and they met up, and I'm not even there.
Adam ColemanAnd so we have these Italian friends who are like, yes, please come show you around.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's.
Adam ColemanIt's the beauty of humanity.
Adam ColemanAnd I feel like sometimes we don't cherish that, but there's so many good people who are out there.
Adam ColemanThere's so many deep connections that we can develop, and it's enriching to the soul.
Will SpencerAmen.
Will SpencerWell, this, I think my listeners will probably understand that in some ways, it feels like a little bit like looking into a mirror, slightly Because a lot of this is my story as well.
Will SpencerSpent a couple of years in therapy, crying every week, grieving essentially, over which I think is a very natural thing to do for both men and women to grieve.
Will SpencerBut we have so few places to do it.
Will SpencerThere's a great book by Robert Bly called Iron John, which sort of started the men's movement way back in the 80s, and he talks about grief as a doorway to men's deep feeling.
Will SpencerAnd men need space to grieve over our losses.
Will SpencerWe take losses or we grow up in an environment where we lose and we have to.
Will SpencerWe get a chance to grieve that.
Will SpencerBut there are no spaces for men to do that.
Will SpencerSo the conversation around men's vulnerability involves showing more emotion, et cetera.
Will SpencerYes, but really that needs to be expressed in the form of grief, privately private grieving.
Will SpencerAnd that opens up so much inner freedom for men to feel.
Will SpencerAnd then I can also relate very much to travel because that was my story as well.
Will SpencerGoing and testing myself against the world.
Will SpencerLess so with the deep connections and more climbing mountains and sailing oceans.
Will SpencerBut I recommend travel to men if they can take the opportunity to go and find out who they are with really no constraints.
Will SpencerIt's a great.
Will SpencerIt can be a great teacher if you approach it the right way respectfully, not for self aggrandizement, which of course I'm sure you know, is a great deal of travelers out there.
Will SpencerSo what an incredible story that.
Will SpencerThat you got to do those things.
Will SpencerAnd I guess regarding the human connections in your travel blog, you know, one of the things that I noticed was that, like, there aren't a lot of African Americans traveling.
Will SpencerLike, I was on the road for a while.
Will SpencerSo what was that like for you, going out there into the world?
Will SpencerBecause one of the things I found is there's such intense curiosity about Americans in so many places.
Will SpencerDid you find that as well with your experience coming from America?
Adam ColemanSo it's very interesting because I never felt different when I would travel other than they saw me as an American.
Adam ColemanLike, they didn't.
Adam ColemanRace was never really a thing that kind of came up or anything like that.
Adam ColemanAs soon as they found that I was American, you know, they lit up.
Adam ColemanAnd I think sometimes we take granted, like, a lot of people like Americans just by default because they like American music or movies or whatever.
Adam ColemanAnd so I literally had.
Adam ColemanI went.
Adam ColemanI went to a spa in Turkey and before lady started massaging, she was like, where are you from?
Adam ColemanI said, america.
Adam ColemanShe's like, I love America.
Adam ColemanShe was, big hug.
Adam ColemanI was like, okay.
Adam ColemanYou know, I couldn't imagine in the United States someone saying anywhere outside of the United States and, like, I love that place.
Adam ColemanGiving them a big hug, you know?
Adam ColemanBut.
Adam ColemanBut as far as how I.
Adam ColemanHow I felt, honestly, it's the most American I've ever felt.
Adam ColemanTraveling abroad, you really see.
Adam ColemanLove it.
Adam ColemanThere are so many things that are cultural that is uniquely American, and our sensibility is uniquely American that we don't realize because we never leave that environment.
Adam ColemanBut once you leave that environment, you're like, people move differently here.
Adam ColemanPeople dress differently here.
Adam ColemanYou know, how they approach things is different here now.
Adam ColemanSo it's very.
Adam ColemanIt's very interesting.
Adam ColemanAnd sometimes, even if you try really hard not to be a fish out of water, you kind of are a fish out of water.
Adam ColemanLike, you just stick out in certain places especially.
Adam ColemanBut, yeah, I mean, I definitely feel very American.
Adam ColemanYou know, when you go to certain places, they might expect you to be rich because you're American.
Will SpencerYep.
Adam ColemanOther places, they're curious with you.
Adam ColemanYou know, when I was in Germany, it was so hard speaking German people, because they always wanted to speak English to me.
Adam ColemanThey could tell from my accent while speaking German that I'm American, so.
Adam ColemanOr if they see me struggle, they automatically switch to English and just, you know, don't let me suffer through it.
Adam ColemanSo there's.
Adam ColemanThis is so much that I learned about how people see America.
Adam ColemanWhat do they think?
Adam ColemanYou know, I had this one taxi driver.
Adam ColemanHe's.
Adam ColemanWhere are you from?
Adam ColemanAnd I said, america.
Adam ColemanHe's like, donald Trump is the worst president.
Adam ColemanI was like, what the fuck?
Adam ColemanLike, he just went off, and I was just like, all right.
Adam ColemanAnd I started laughing, like, we don't.
Adam ColemanIt's so funny because we're so.
Adam ColemanWe're so insulated here.
Adam ColemanWe know nothing about the outside world, theoretically speaking.
Adam ColemanLike, for many of us, we don't even know where certain countries are nevertheless, their political system, but everyone is focused on our politics.
Adam ColemanAnd everywhere I went, I would try to have political conversations with people.
Adam ColemanLike, good, faithful conversations, or if they were curious about American culture, what's like.
Adam ColemanAnd I'll give them my honest perspective about what I felt about this and what I felt about that.
Adam ColemanAnd it was very refreshing.
Adam ColemanIt was very refreshing to have these particular experiences and then to learn from them.
Adam ColemanYou know, I remember having tapas with this woman from Australia.
Adam ColemanWe talked about politics for, like, two hours, about American politics, Australian politics, and differences between the two, and how much more fascinating for us it is.
Adam ColemanI mean, Much more fascinating our political system is compared to theirs and things like that.
Adam ColemanSo it's just, it was very eye opening.
Adam ColemanBut to kind of answer your question, I've never felt more American until I leave United States.
Adam ColemanLike, it's very obvious that I'm an American.
Will SpencerSo that's.
Will SpencerSo does that mean, just to make sure I'm clear on the answer, does that mean that you don't feel like an American here, but you feel like an American there?
Will SpencerOr like you're suddenly aware from the rest of the world's perspective, we're all just Americans and they don't really distinguish between different types.
Will SpencerOkay, beautiful.
Will SpencerYeah.
Adam ColemanWell, to kind of add to that, in the United States, especially these days with the race rhetoric and stuff like that, you are pushed to see yourself as a hyphenated American.
Adam ColemanBut when I leave the country, no one says, oh, you're a black American or you're an African American or you're some sort of hyphen.
Adam ColemanNo, you're an American.
Will SpencerYeah, that's true.
Adam ColemanLike that, that's it.
Adam ColemanThat's how they see it.
Adam ColemanAnd they feel that it's bizarre to see yourself otherwise.
Adam ColemanLike, no, you're, you're clearly American.
Adam ColemanAnd so that's why I, for a bit after, after going back and forth between Europe and United States, I felt kind of upset that I'm not seen as purely American.
Adam ColemanI'm, I'm a.
Adam ColemanI have a hyphen next to my status when I'm here, you know, and that kind of, that actually kind of bothered me for a bit.
Adam ColemanBut now it's.
Adam ColemanIt.
Adam ColemanThat's what it is.
Adam ColemanBut I, I do enjoy being seen.
Adam ColemanAnd actually there is a level of status, you understand this.
Adam ColemanThere's a level of status being an American just by default.
Adam ColemanAnd I kind of enjoyed that status of just being an American.
Adam ColemanNot.
Adam ColemanThere's no hyphen or anything like that.
Will SpencerThat is a special feel.
Will SpencerThat is a special feeling.
Will SpencerSo.
Will SpencerSo when you come back to the United States, do you feel like that you have to put on the hyphen?
Will SpencerThat's, that's the expectation of you, or do you feel like that's just a cultural thing that's in the water?
Will SpencerBecause my identity hierarchy is probably similar to yours.
Will SpencerLike, I'm a Christian, I'm a man, I'm an American, and then I'm literally everything else.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerAnd so it sounds the same for you, but sometimes people want to force the others identity hierarchies to be somewhat different from that.
Will SpencerLike, no, no, I'm this first.
Will SpencerSo do you feel like people force that on you and you just want to be like, I'm just an American?
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanEspecially when I was growing up.
Adam ColemanNot even, you know, when I was a kid.
Adam ColemanObviously, I'm not thinking about patriotism, but I always just saw, like, I.
Adam ColemanMyself, like, I'm.
Adam ColemanI'm just me.
Adam ColemanI'm not trying to be the stereotype.
Adam ColemanI'm not trying to be this.
Adam ColemanLike, I'm just trying to feel comfortable.
Adam ColemanAnd especially when you.
Adam ColemanYou spend so long feeling uncomfortably like you're always searching to be comfortable.
Adam ColemanBut, man, if I found something I like, I just like it, you know, if.
Adam ColemanYou know, how I speak was put under question.
Adam ColemanThe music I listened to was put under question.
Adam ColemanHow I dress is put under question.
Adam ColemanYou know, all these different things.
Adam ColemanYou know, when I remember when I was in high school, people sometimes say to me, oh, they were calling white Adam.
Adam ColemanRight?
Adam ColemanIt's that kind of.
Adam ColemanAlso, I'm not even black anymore.
Adam ColemanI'm just.
Adam ColemanI'm just black.
Adam ColemanI'm just white now, you know, because I don't fill in the stereotype of what they're comfortable with.
Adam ColemanAnd that was the thing.
Adam ColemanIt's always about someone else's comfort.
Adam ColemanIt's never in consideration to how I feel.
Adam ColemanBut you're talking about me, and so it's kind of like shaming me for feeling comfortable doing certain things in it and expressing myself in a particular way or listening to a particular music or following this particular sport or dating this particular person.
Adam ColemanYou know, I've dated.
Adam ColemanMy wife is black, but my son is biracial.
Adam ColemanI wasn't trying to have a biracial child.
Adam ColemanI wasn't saying I only like this.
Adam ColemanYou know, I wasn't doing.
Adam ColemanI just liked her.
Adam ColemanShe.
Adam ColemanYou know, we liked each other.
Adam ColemanThat was it.
Adam ColemanWe were two human beings, man and woman, and we liked each other.
Adam ColemanAnd sometimes you get accused because you don't fit into the stereotype that you must be rejecting this.
Adam ColemanYou must be.
Adam ColemanYou don't want to be black.
Adam ColemanYou don't want to be.
Adam ColemanThis.
Adam ColemanYou don't want to do.
Adam ColemanIt's like, no, I.
Adam ColemanI'm just going towards what I'm comfortable with.
Adam ColemanI'm comfortable with all different types of things.
Adam ColemanAnd I think there are so many people who are pigeonholed into feeling like they must appease to this racial order, racial expectation, that even.
Adam ColemanEven the people who are trying to appease it have no idea where the.
Adam ColemanWhere the guidelines are.
Adam ColemanLike, you know, I remember my wife was on this Facebook Group.
Adam ColemanAnd it was.
Adam ColemanI think it was primarily black women.
Adam ColemanAnd they were asking.
Adam ColemanI can't remember the activity, but they asked the question.
Adam ColemanAnd these are adults.
Adam ColemanJust keep that in mind.
Adam ColemanThese are adults and they ask the question, do black people do this?
Adam ColemanNow, they were asking the question because they liked it.
Adam ColemanAnd I just thought, that is so strange.
Adam ColemanIt is so strange that a grown person who likes doing something is asking, do black people do this?
Adam ColemanSo if everybody said no, would you stop doing the thing that you actually like or interested in?
Will SpencerLike, that is the intention.
Will SpencerI got it.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanThat.
Adam ColemanIt's so.
Adam ColemanIt's so bizarre.
Adam ColemanBut it's like.
Adam ColemanIt's like this air of expectation because I happen to have darker skin than you.
Adam ColemanIt's such a weird, weird phenomenon that exists here that thankfully doesn't exist elsewhere.
Adam ColemanNot in the same way, at least, I should say.
Will SpencerSo I can relate to this as well in my own way because I grew up Jewish.
Will SpencerAnd so, you know, when I decided that I didn't want to adhere to any of the Jewish cultural stereotypes and became a Christian, no longer Jewish, I mean, we could talk about that.
Will SpencerBut it's like, okay, I'm leaving this behind.
Will SpencerBut the expectations are still tugging at me.
Will SpencerNo, I'm not interested.
Will SpencerLike, I'm doing this other thing.
Will SpencerBut then out there in the world, it's like, no, you're Jewish.
Will SpencerYou're supposed to be like this.
Will SpencerLike, no, I'm nothing like that.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerAnd so, like, it's this strange position where it's like, the people for where we come from have expectations of us.
Will SpencerThe people where we're going to, let's say, have expectations.
Will SpencerLike, no, I'm none of those things.
Will SpencerCan you please just relate to me like, the person to person?
Will SpencerIt's a.
Will SpencerI'm grateful to hear you.
Will SpencerTo hear you say that, because I can relate to in that moment, like, why are you asking me this question?
Will SpencerMeaning the woman on the Facebook page, like, you know, black people like this.
Will SpencerLike, well, what difference does it make?
Adam ColemanWho cares?
Adam ColemanWho cares?
Adam ColemanAnd that's.
Adam ColemanSee, for me, I've always just been.
Adam ColemanI like people.
Adam ColemanYou know, I understand people and don't care if you're white, black, Hispanic, Asian.
Adam ColemanI don't care if you're young or old.
Adam ColemanI care about what's your heart.
Adam ColemanLike, are you a good person?
Adam ColemanThere's so many people that I've met who do not look like me, who are coming from different places, but I understand them.
Adam ColemanIf I tell a quick story, please.
Adam ColemanThe first time I was.
Adam ColemanI Went to Istanbul.
Adam ColemanI went on this boat ride.
Adam ColemanI forgot the name of the main river that goes through Istanbul.
Adam ColemanI'll probably butcher it if I try to say it, but I went on this boat ride, and there was a family from Uzbekistan that was there, and they were.
Adam ColemanI could tell they were friendly, and they kind of came up to.
Adam ColemanIt was me.
Adam ColemanAnd one of the first kind of came up to us, and we interacted with each other, but they couldn't speak English.
Adam ColemanLike, there was one of them that spoke very, very broken English.
Adam ColemanLike, she just knew a couple words here and there.
Adam ColemanCouldn't reform a full conversation.
Adam ColemanSo we were pulling out Google Translate.
Adam ColemanBut there was a very human moment, when I think about it, we.
Adam ColemanWe were able to communicate.
Adam ColemanHey, after the boat ride, let's have lunch together.
Adam ColemanAnd they were like, okay.
Adam ColemanSo they understood what we were trying to do.
Adam ColemanWe left the boat, and it was a little bit windy.
Adam ColemanAnd I could see the mother because it was.
Adam ColemanIt was a mother, two daughters who were like, probably like early 20s.
Adam ColemanThey look like twins.
Adam ColemanAnd then there was another daughter who's a little older, maybe in her late 20s, early 30s.
Adam ColemanAnd then one of the daughters had a baby, a baby boy who's probably, like, I say baby, but very young, like a toddler.
Adam ColemanAnd we're all.
Adam ColemanThey're all walking as a family.
Adam ColemanAnd I see the mother kind of like going like this, holding herself.
Adam ColemanAnd I took off my jacket and I put it on her shoulder.
Adam ColemanAnd I don't speak Uzbek.
Adam ColemanShe doesn't speak English.
Adam ColemanBut I could see as a human being, I could tell she's cold.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm showing her a nice gesture by putting this on her so she's not as cold.
Adam ColemanAnd I'll sacrifice my warmth for her to feel warm for a minute as we walked to this restaurant.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, stuff like that where I was like, I'm not trying to appease someone.
Adam ColemanI'm not trying to, you know, did I give her my coat in the blackest way possible?
Adam ColemanYou know, I'm just.
Adam ColemanShe's just a human being, and it's in who is cold.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm willing to sacrifice my warmth so she can feel warm.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's that.
Adam ColemanIt's that type of stuff where I think we.
Adam ColemanWe often lose track of that.
Adam ColemanLike, especially dealing with politics, we lose.
Adam ColemanWe lose track of humanity.
Adam ColemanLike, people just become like names.
Adam ColemanThey're no longer people with feelings and emotions.
Adam ColemanThey just want names.
Adam ColemanAnd so because they're a name, you can just slice part the name you can.
Adam ColemanYou can defame the name.
Adam ColemanYou can call whatever you want.
Adam ColemanYou can make memes of the name.
Adam ColemanThey're not really people that feel anything.
Adam ColemanAnd you know what?
Adam ColemanThey should expect to feel this.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanIt's that kind of dehumanization that exists that I don't like about my particular space, but obviously it's always existed.
Will SpencerI think that's why I was wondering about the transition from being sort of an IT manager at a small company to being a public figure is once you start doing that, you cross over into the realm of actually having your name torn apart in public.
Will SpencerAnd it's.
Will SpencerIt's quite a lot to endure.
Will SpencerLike, it's.
Will SpencerIt's part of the job, you know, and any other.
Will SpencerEvery job has its downsides.
Will SpencerAnd being a public figure, talking about politics or race or all these different things and whatever the subject is of the day, like, you're going to get torn apart because that's the arena.
Will SpencerAnd so it can be difficult going.
Will SpencerBeing the kind of man going from private, you know, private citizen to public figure, and being subject to all the pressures and all the vitriol that comes with being a public figure kind of overnight.
Will SpencerAnd so that's why I asked about the strength, where the strength had come from to be able to endure that.
Will SpencerAnd I hear that.
Will SpencerI hear a lot of my own story reflect on it, as I said, with grieving through therapy and then testing oneself by a travel.
Will SpencerAnd I can relate very much to the way that that actually prepares you for the arena.
Will SpencerEven though, like, you weren't setting out to get into the arena, neither was I.
Will SpencerLike, I didn't have it on my mind like, that I'd be a podcaster.
Will SpencerLike, what?
Will SpencerSo I honor you for your story.
Will SpencerI mean, it's incredible that you can bring that.
Will SpencerThat presence and that sense of, I guess, adventure and experimentation, because especially with our hypercharged, you know, divided America, we as Americans have trouble seeing ourselves.
Will SpencerAnd by popping out to these other countries and seeing how they see us and almost forgetting ourselves in a way, when I've come back to America, it gave me a whole different perspective on my own country to be able to say, hey, here are some things I've learned that maybe can help heal the situation.
Will SpencerMaybe you can relate to that.
Adam ColemanYeah, absolutely.
Adam ColemanI think one of.
Adam ColemanBecause I remember you had traveled to India number of times, correct?
Will SpencerOkay, one time for a long time.
Adam ColemanRun time for a long time.
Adam ColemanThat's right.
Adam ColemanSo I would imagine.
Adam ColemanI've never been to India, but I would imagine going to A place like that and coming back home makes you more grateful of the things that you have because you're seeing people who have, who don't have, like, it's just basic necessities.
Adam ColemanExcuse me.
Adam ColemanI've been to Jamaica, but we didn't stay at a resort, so I got to see real Jamaica.
Adam ColemanGranted, we didn't go to Kingston, which is very dangerous, especially for someone who's not from there.
Adam ColemanWe went to Montego Bay and I got to see what it's like for people, for children to beg.
Adam ColemanI got to see a little bit of desperation.
Adam ColemanI got to see markets that have dirt floors.
Adam ColemanI got to see that stuff, you know, cars that are barely running on the, on the, you know, driving around.
Adam ColemanSo I got to see those things.
Adam ColemanCops walking around with shotguns, which kind of blew my mind, you know.
Adam ColemanSo I got to see all these different things and then come back home.
Adam ColemanAnd it made me more grateful as far as the things that I have, even like the basic of what I have, because I saw so many who didn't, who didn't have these things.
Adam ColemanIt's not to say that having these things means that life is so much better, but you can see the benefit in the utility of having these things.
Adam ColemanHow there's so many people who strive just to have the basics of what we have.
Adam ColemanSo if I was to use that as an example and talk about the political conversation, because there are a lot of Americans who don't leave this country and when they do, they basically go to American enclaves and resorts and stuff like that and sit by the beach because it's, you know, a carved out space for them to feel safe away from the locals and everybody else.
Adam ColemanSo because they don't actually see people being desperate people wanting and yearning things, I don't think they fully understand why so many people are trying to come to America.
Adam ColemanYou know, why would someone travel through the desert, risk death, risk being trafficked into sex slavery, risk a mother having their children take away from them, never to see them again?
Adam ColemanYou know, I heard stories of just recently, some reporters were talking to independent reporters were talking to migrants who were in New York City.
Adam ColemanAnd they asked them all, what country are you from?
Adam ColemanHow did you get here?
Adam ColemanAnd as they're describing all the different countries that they had to go through, from South America to throughout Central America to make it to Mexico and eventually into United States.
Adam ColemanThey were pointing out, in certain areas it is known for people to be kidnapped.
Adam ColemanIn certain areas it's known for people to be, to be trafficked for kids to be taken, for you to be robbed and have your goods stolen.
Adam ColemanAnd they understand that it's still better for them to go through that so they can come here and be in America.
Adam ColemanAnd I should tell you something that, like, for me, when I hear these stories and I've talked to people who are legal migrants, you know, immigrants who from this country.
Adam ColemanMy father was an immigrant from Trinidad, although I didn't have relationship with him like that, so I never got to hear his immigrant story.
Adam ColemanBut, you know, I talked to plenty of immigrants who came here legally who are in the United States.
Adam ColemanPeople from Iran who were escaping persecution and came to the United States with nothing and was able to build a sustainable life, who are so thankful for being here.
Adam ColemanCuban Americans who came here from communist nation to find prosperity here.
Adam ColemanAnd they're so thankful for being here and the safety that is being provided for them because of being here.
Adam ColemanYou know, I look at all these people, I'm like, there's so many examples you don't even have.
Adam ColemanI don't.
Adam ColemanI don't ever have to touch down in Iran or Cuba or any of these places.
Adam ColemanI don't ever have to live there to understand because I've talked to so many different people, and they all have the same reasons why they risk so much just to come here.
Adam ColemanLike, there's so many people who are afraid to move from one state to another state because they don't know anybody.
Adam ColemanYou know, I don't know anybody there, and I don't know if I'll get a job.
Adam ColemanThese are people who went to a completely different country with barely anything, who don't even speak the language and have to literally start their entire life over with little to no support like that.
Adam ColemanTo me, if someone's willing to go through all that, there must be a really damn good reason as to why they want to do that.
Adam ColemanAnd especially when you find out it's not just that one person, but there potentially millions of people who are in the very same predicament that, to me, that says there's something very special about the United States, because trust and believe, no one's trying to do that for the vast majority of other countries around the world.
Will SpencerYes.
Will SpencerAnd I think the tragedy of the situation is that so many of these people's hopes and dreams, they're used as political pawns as well.
Will SpencerAnd that's.
Will SpencerThat's the real shame is there is, you know, traveling around the world.
Adam ColemanJust.
Will SpencerIf I could share a quick story.
Will SpencerI think I was on a flight to Australia.
Will SpencerAnd I was sitting next to a man, I was talking about my desire to.
Will SpencerTo travel around the South Pacific.
Will SpencerAnd I had told him that I wanted to go to Papua New Guinea.
Will SpencerAnd he kind of stopped cold for a second.
Will SpencerHe's like, you probably don't want to do that.
Will SpencerAnd I said, why?
Will SpencerHe's like, well, my wife is a nurse there.
Will SpencerShe flies in, and there's active human cannibalism going on right there.
Will SpencerSo probably.
Will SpencerProbably don't fly to Papua New Guinea.
Will SpencerAs in, like, she gets off.
Will SpencerLike, she's.
Will SpencerShe's a.
Will SpencerSome sort of missionary, nurse helping.
Will SpencerHelping a small village, something like that.
Will SpencerAnd he was describing to me, like, you know, she gets off the plane and she gets into, like, an armored SUV and is taken to the village.
Will SpencerYou know, she.
Will SpencerAnd not just her, but the doctors and all that stuff.
Will SpencerAnd.
Will SpencerAnd that's the condition of much of the world that people are trying to escape from.
Will SpencerLike, that's one of the.
Will SpencerOne of the worst stories that I heard, obviously.
Will SpencerSo people want to escape these conditions.
Will SpencerAnd like, that genuine human desire for safety is.
Will SpencerIs exploited and weaponized people by people who want to use those individuals as political pawns within the United States.
Will SpencerAnd it's like kind of getting screwed no matter.
Will SpencerNo matter where you are.
Will SpencerAnd then, of course, along with, you know, these.
Will SpencerThese genuine good people trying to, I believe, have a better life.
Will SpencerThere are people that are actively, actively malicious, released from prison, et cetera, who see us as an opera, who see our country as an opportunity to exploit as well.
Will SpencerAnd it's such a.
Will SpencerIt's such a gigantic mess and certainly like to travel and to see the condition of much of the world.
Will SpencerLike, we really do not understand how blessed we are to live in the United States.
Will SpencerThere's no country on earth that's like it.
Will SpencerYou know, there's no.
Will SpencerThere's no country as significant that's as peaceful, and there's no country that's as peaceful that's as significant.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerSo you can go to, you know, you can go to China, you know, which is a pretty big country, and it's not as peaceful there as it is here.
Will SpencerI mean, the heavy hand of communist oppression, you feel it when you get off the plane.
Will SpencerWhen I left China, I flew from Shanghai to Taiwan.
Will SpencerI exited the airport at Taiwan and instinctively went.
Will SpencerBecause I could.
Will SpencerThe weight of the.
Will SpencerOf Communist China finally fell off.
Will SpencerI didn't even notice.
Will SpencerI was feeling it.
Will SpencerAnd so.
Will SpencerBut we.
Will SpencerBut because as you're, as you say so rightfully Americans don't travel.
Will SpencerAnd so they don't have the ability to reflect on the blessings of this country.
Will SpencerAnd they.
Will SpencerAnd as a result, they don't know how to manage sharing it and not sharing it.
Will SpencerSo some are motivated to kind of like, hold, withhold it entirely, and some are motivated to just give it away freely.
Will SpencerIt's because neither really knows how to value what we have here because they've never seen it from the outside.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanYou know, if I can slightly pivot because you made me think about something.
Will SpencerPlease.
Adam ColemanIt reminds me of people who grew up always surrounded by Christianity, always going to church, and some of them not understanding the perspective of someone who's born again and understanding the daunting task of recognizing where you were wrong, were you sinned and you were in living right or whatever.
Adam ColemanWhatever your circumstance was, and to acknowledge that and repent for that.
Adam ColemanSo.
Adam ColemanAnd to do that in a deep way, to now come with Christ in humility.
Adam ColemanLike, I don't think a lot of people understand that.
Adam ColemanWho, Who've always.
Adam ColemanThey've always been in Christ and, you know, it's culturally theirs and always gone.
Adam ColemanAnd they've always been theoretically in the street, narrow, never deviated.
Adam ColemanAnd I, you know, that's what it makes me think of.
Adam ColemanAnd I see people like Russell Br.
Adam ColemanWe'll just use him as an example, you know, we know his history of debauchery, of getting into all these different things, of being confused and drugs and all this.
Adam ColemanAnd for him to come to Christ.
Adam ColemanAnd then people will be like, well, you know, and try to downplay the significance of what he was able to accomplish.
Adam ColemanSkepticism, that every person who comes to Christ must be, you know, trying to do some sort of trickery.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, it's just.
Adam ColemanOr, oh, well, let's just wait and see if they really are.
Adam ColemanIt's just, man, there's.
Adam ColemanThere's such a daft of humility surrounding faith and genuine.
Adam ColemanTrying to have empathy and understanding for people.
Adam ColemanYou know, if Russell Brand slips up and has a drug binge, well, you should understand, empathize with him and pray for him and hope that he comes back and he stops these.
Adam ColemanHis ways.
Adam ColemanBut, like, it doesn't mean that you're.
Adam ColemanYou're automatically perfect.
Adam ColemanAnd just because you want to pretend that you're perfect your entire life doesn't mean that that is actually true.
Adam ColemanIt doesn't mean that someone else who, who has slipped and fallen and struggling is somehow worse than you.
Adam ColemanAnd I think that's.
Adam ColemanI think that's what really bothered me this idea that this person who has always been on the straight and narrow is somehow better than me because they've always been on straight and narrow.
Adam ColemanAnd it's like.
Adam ColemanNo, because from my perspective, I thought that was the whole point.
Adam ColemanThe whole point is that you might think you're on straight and narrow, but you're a sinner.
Adam ColemanSo am I.
Adam ColemanWe're on the same plane.
Adam ColemanAnd we both have our struggles with something that is the whole point of all this.
Adam ColemanAnd we should be empathetic rather than pretending that we don't sin, that we don't have lustful desires, that we don't have, you know, a bit of an ego that don't struggle with pride, that we don't struggle with these things.
Adam ColemanYeah, we all got different things that are going on in our lives.
Adam ColemanSo I started to kind of deviate.
Adam ColemanBut when you said that.
Adam ColemanNo, that's like the thing that really came to my mind.
Adam ColemanI think there's a really, really big lack of empathy that especially exists within.
Adam ColemanIn the conservative world, and especially, like conservative politics, which always tries to use Christianity as a measuring stick for policy, when the reality is, like, the Republican Party is a political party, it's not church.
Adam ColemanAnd when these same political figures.
Adam ColemanAnd by the way, it's a little bit of a rant.
Adam ColemanThese same political figures who want to wag their finger up.
Adam ColemanNo.
Adam ColemanAnd be outraged because they're a whole bunch of rappers who are at the Super Bowl.
Adam ColemanOh, my God, it's degenerate music.
Adam ColemanThe same ones who are saying, I like Andrew Tate.
Adam ColemanOh, you mean the pornographer.
Adam ColemanThe guy who's being accused of trafficking.
Adam ColemanOh, that guy.
Adam ColemanOh, okay.
Adam ColemanAll right, cool.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's just.
Will SpencerThanks for the double standards.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanIt's just this.
Adam ColemanIt's so blatantly obvious.
Adam ColemanIt's not even an attempt to be consistent.
Adam ColemanAnd so that's where I'm like, I just.
Adam ColemanI can't stand.
Adam ColemanObviously, we're all hyperts to some degree.
Adam ColemanAnd I just try not to be as much as possible, man.
Adam ColemanThere's some people who are just so overtly not even trying.
Adam ColemanIt's just whatever is beneficial at the time.
Adam ColemanThey just.
Adam ColemanThey just say and do these things because, well, this person's different because they're on my team, or this person's different because the people I hate hate him.
Adam ColemanSo they're now my friend, even though they're clearly an immoral individual.
Adam ColemanYou know, so it's just.
Adam ColemanIt's all that.
Will SpencerSo, yeah, no, I totally understand.
Will SpencerLike, there, there's.
Will SpencerI Think the thing that I would say that I see similar between the conversation about, you know, coming to America and coming to Christ is people who have a good thing not knowing how to properly onboard people who want to be a part of it, right?
Will SpencerWhether it be like, yeah, come in, I have plenty to go around, or that, no, you can't have any of this, right?
Will SpencerLike hard walls versus like, you know, thrown open barn doors.
Will SpencerAnd I think part of that might have to do with like, well, we have this good thing.
Will SpencerAnd maybe it has to do around with this 20th, 21st century conversation around the word privilege, right?
Will SpencerLike we, like this privilege comes bundled with this notion of like guilt and shame.
Will SpencerLike, okay, I have this thing and like, I should feel bad because I have it and they don't, right?
Will SpencerCommunist, Marxist.
Will SpencerAnd so if you're operating in that paradigm, it's like, oh, I have this unearned privilege, well then, well then the response could be like, I better give it away, right?
Will SpencerAnd then some people are going to say that, like, no, stop giving that away.
Will SpencerYou have to make people earn it.
Will SpencerLike, let's shut it down, right?
Will SpencerAnd so I think, I think we're so maybe infected by this Marxist thinking that we don't know how to say, like, okay, I have a good thing, but I want to make sure that before I share it with you that we have some understanding first, right?
Will SpencerAnd I think churches, you know, the churches can have better or worse onboarding processes.
Will SpencerSome churches have membership classes where they actually vet you and ask you questions because they want to protect a good thing that they have.
Will SpencerIt's not that they say, no, you can't be a part of this, right?
Will SpencerYou actually go through a process.
Will SpencerAnd I think we used to have that in America as well when we used to understand this is a good thing, we have to protect it.
Will SpencerBut in the past, I don't know, 20, 30, 40 years, it's just been, I feel like in Christianity also, the doors have been thrown open, like seeker sensitive, I think, is what they call that.
Will SpencerLike, yeah, just come in, hang out, you know, as if, as if, you know, there isn't requirements to get into heaven, you know, as if there aren't requirements in the Bible to take communion.
Will SpencerAnd so I think what everyone's responding to and in some cases reacting to is this over generosity that has drained the reserves of both the United States and perhaps also Christendom.
Will SpencerAnd so what do we do when we're inheriting this situation?
Will SpencerI don't actually, I don't actually know But I know what you mean about, like, facing skepticism, being Christian, or facing judgment.
Will SpencerLike, you don't know what it's like out there.
Will SpencerI'm just coming in the door looking for safety.
Will SpencerI can.
Will SpencerI can very much understand.
Will SpencerUnderstand.
Will SpencerAnd also taking for granted what they have.
Will SpencerLike, you grew up, you know, in the.
Will SpencerIn the church, you know, and it's like.
Will SpencerAnd here's this incredible blessing that was given to you from birth, and I believe you're faithful.
Will SpencerLike, but they don't have a way to devalue it because they weren't wandering around in the wilderness.
Will SpencerWilderness.
Will SpencerLike some of us.
Will SpencerSome of us were.
Will SpencerSo that's my rant in response.
Will SpencerLike, I agree with everything you're saying.
Will SpencerIt's a.
Will SpencerIt's a strange thing to experience and to be able to talk with you about, because I've had similar experiences traveling America and Christianity as well.
Adam ColemanYeah, I.
Adam ColemanThis is.
Adam ColemanThis is the area where I try not to complain.
Adam ColemanI don't like complaining in general.
Adam ColemanObviously, I complain.
Adam ColemanWe all complain a little bit, but try not to be a complainer.
Adam ColemanSo what I try my best to do is instead of pointing out what people aren't doing, I just try to do that very thing.
Adam ColemanAnd so we were talking about becoming a public figure.
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI never.
Adam ColemanI never anticipated any of this stuff happening.
Adam ColemanAs I was saying before, and as it happened, I start to understand that this is much bigger than myself.
Adam ColemanAnd even as I was coming closer to God, I understood that what I'm doing is much bigger than myself.
Adam ColemanAnd how I can.
Adam ColemanHow it can impact people can.
Adam ColemanIt can be both.
Adam ColemanIt can be one or the other.
Adam ColemanIt could positive or it could be negative.
Adam ColemanI can do a bunch of clickbaits off and make people upset, or I can give people to think about and be thankful and give them something generally positive after reading something that I write.
Adam ColemanSo I chose.
Adam ColemanI chose to go the positive route because that's just.
Adam ColemanThat's my nature.
Adam ColemanLike, I want to help people.
Adam ColemanExcuse me.
Adam ColemanI should drink more water.
Adam ColemanNot allowed.
Adam ColemanNo, I.
Adam ColemanIn general, I want to help people and I want them to do better at their lives.
Adam ColemanAnd what I realized is my.
Adam ColemanMy little bit of notoriety that I have has been an opportunity to touch people in a very particular light in a very particular way that maybe other people aren't attempting to.
Adam ColemanExcuse me.
Adam ColemanYou know, if I.
Adam ColemanIf I can give a quick story and please, I tell the story.
Adam ColemanObviously, when I tell these stories, it's not to brag, not to talk about.
Adam ColemanLook, I'm better than Anybody.
Adam ColemanAnybody else.
Adam ColemanI feel very fortunate to be in a position to help somebody like this.
Adam ColemanBut I talked.
Adam ColemanI sent a tweet about being lonely.
Adam ColemanIt was something of that nature.
Adam ColemanBeing lonely or being.
Adam ColemanMaybe even being agoraphobic at that moment that I felt agoraphobia.
Adam ColemanI was just scared to leave my house for the first time.
Adam ColemanAnd I talked about that, and someone sent a tweet that said, I'm going through that right now.
Adam ColemanAnd when I read that, I was like, that sounds like a call for help.
Adam ColemanAnd so we immediately went to private message, and I started talking to him, and I said, can you talk on the phone?
Adam ColemanHe said, actually, I cut off my cell phone.
Adam ColemanLike, he.
Adam ColemanHe hasn't been communicating with the outside world other than Twitter, and he had barely used that.
Adam ColemanAnd.
Adam ColemanBut I convinced him to bring up some sort of way that we can talk online.
Adam ColemanAnd I had to drive somewhere.
Adam ColemanSo I talked to him for about 45 minutes.
Adam ColemanUsing Canada not to get his.
Adam ColemanHis entire story.
Adam ColemanI did write about this experience on my substack, but basically, he had a lot of purpose in his job.
Adam ColemanHe worked in a hospital, and it was taken away from him, and he felt like they took his purpose like he had nothing else.
Adam ColemanAnd it was so detrimental to him that he was moments away from killing himself.
Adam ColemanSo his job status was held in limbo for quite some time, and he just became reclusive.
Adam ColemanAnd what was really unfortunate at times is that he had a wife and he had a kid.
Adam ColemanSo he's not a single guy by himself.
Adam ColemanHe has a family, and he's just.
Adam ColemanI know exactly how he feels because he's just going down this pit and he's by himself.
Adam ColemanAnd so what I told him was, I understand what you're going through.
Adam ColemanAnd I told him about my situation, what I went through.
Adam ColemanI said, here's my suggestion.
Adam ColemanAnd I just asked him, like, let's just start with basics.
Adam ColemanAre you taking a shower every day?
Adam ColemanDo you.
Adam ColemanWhat?
Adam ColemanDo you brush your teeth?
Adam ColemanYou know?
Adam ColemanAnd he just started telling me, yes, I do this.
Adam ColemanNo, I don't do this.
Adam ColemanOkay, that thing that you don't do, do that.
Adam ColemanJust focus on that.
Adam ColemanDo that, and then move on to the next thing.
Adam ColemanAnd I was.
Adam ColemanI was.
Adam ColemanWhat I was essentially trying to tell him is that you have to build up these Ws.
Adam ColemanLike, when you go that low, you think you're incapable of doing anything, but even the smallest task you accomplish, it feels like the biggest W.
Adam ColemanAnd for someone who's never been that low, like, if I told Them to make sure they take out the trash every day.
Adam ColemanYou're like, what's the big deal?
Adam ColemanI do that all the time.
Adam ColemanYeah, but this person does it.
Adam ColemanBarely cleans up after themselves, nevertheless, takes out the trash.
Adam ColemanLike, they're so low that they're.
Adam ColemanThat they're not able to do anything.
Adam ColemanThey're unmotivated because they don't think that they can do anything, Even something as simple as take out the trash.
Adam ColemanAnd when you convince them to leave enough that they can do just that one task of taking out the trash, then that's a W for them, and then they'll move on to the next task and the next task.
Adam ColemanSo we had that one conversation.
Adam ColemanI would check it, check on him, like, you know, every few months, you know, on Twitter, you can live.
Adam ColemanLeave a pinned, you know, DM spot.
Adam ColemanSo I never forgot.
Adam ColemanSo he never got lost in my DMs.
Adam ColemanAnd I would occasionally reach out to Master.
Adam ColemanHe's going.
Adam ColemanHe would say he's doing better.
Adam ColemanAbout a year later, I think it was about a year later, he sent me a message.
Adam ColemanHe said, hey, I just wanted to let you know I'm back at work.
Adam ColemanI'm in a different department.
Adam ColemanI really like what I'm doing now.
Adam ColemanI want to thank you because that conversation really helped me.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, you were one of the few people who actually I even talked to.
Adam ColemanLike, he had cut off his family.
Adam ColemanLike, he wasn't talking to anybody except for people that live with him, and he wanted to thank me for that.
Adam ColemanI didn't want anything from him.
Adam ColemanYou know, I wasn't even going to talk about it, and I didn't talk about it until he sent me that message, because I.
Adam ColemanI wanted to use that as an example.
Adam ColemanLike, if you see someone struggling, like, don't leave them floundering.
Adam ColemanAnd I could have very easily just scrolled right past it, but I saw it, and I.
Adam ColemanAnd I feel like I was supposed to see that.
Adam ColemanI'm sure he follows thousands of people, and he could have never seen a tweet, but he did see my tweet, and that prompted him to say something.
Adam ColemanSomething told him to say something, and started that connection where I was able to help him.
Adam ColemanAnd me helping him, or not even just helping him, just talking to him.
Adam ColemanLike, when you're so low that someone talks to you and relates to you and understands where you're coming from is such a big deal, because when you're in that space, you feel so alone.
Adam ColemanYou feel like you're by yourself.
Adam ColemanAnd that's what sinks you even deeper.
Adam ColemanAnd so, you know, for me to be in a public figure, in that.
Adam ColemanThis particular space where I can positively affect someone, you know, I feel so thankful that.
Adam ColemanThat God gave me this privilege to be in.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Will SpencerIt really is a blessing.
Will SpencerThank you for that, by the way.
Will SpencerIt really is a blessing to be given, you know, by God, these platforms and to recognize, like, no, this is a gift to have been given this international microphone, the sort of thing that has never existed before in human history.
Will SpencerLike, you know, and then the question becomes like, what are you going to do with it?
Will SpencerYou, me, anyone?
Will SpencerLike, what are.
Will SpencerWhat are we going to do with this?
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerIs it going to be an outlet for our fleshly desires, for, you know, for.
Will SpencerTo express our.
Will SpencerWe'll say passions.
Will SpencerI don't mean that in romantic sense.
Will SpencerI mean it in the.
Will SpencerMaybe the fleshly sense.
Will SpencerOr is it going to be a tool for good?
Will SpencerIs it going to be a tool for conflict?
Will SpencerAnd it's a real test.
Will SpencerAnd I think a lot of people aspire to having that level of influence.
Will SpencerAnd it's like, I don't know whether we're aspiring to influence or something.
Will SpencerIs.
Will SpencerIt is in itself a good thing.
Will SpencerI think these, these tools can only be wielded effectively by people who are like, you know, this is a gift, and I want to handle it respectfully, specifically, so that you can have the presence of mind to connect with a man who reaches out to you in that moment that you can have the presence to say something landed in you right with what they said.
Will SpencerAnd then you took an extraordinary measure, which is to reach out to them personally and kind of get involved in their life to some degree.
Will SpencerLike, that's.
Will SpencerThat's the sort of thing that I think you can probably only do if you have a sensitivity to the.
Will SpencerTo the gift that's been given.
Will SpencerBecause if it's just all about you, then you're just going to steamroll over the thousands of people who are following you.
Will SpencerBut if it's about something bigger than yourself, bigger than ourselves, like, we can be sensitive to the people who are in front of us.
Will SpencerWhat a blessing that you had to.
Will SpencerThat man's not only his.
Will SpencerHimself, but his family, his work, like, you'll never know the impact.
Will SpencerYou'll never have.
Will SpencerKnow the true extent of the impact you had in that man's life.
Adam ColemanYeah, you know, even.
Adam ColemanEven with me talking about my journey in faith, someone had sent me a message privately.
Adam ColemanI think it's like the day after I posted my Baptism video.
Adam ColemanAnd they said, hey, you know, I've been struggling coming to where you're at.
Adam ColemanI want to, but I've been struggling coming to that point.
Adam ColemanAnd I said, can you talk on the phone?
Adam ColemanSo I gave them my numbers to call me.
Adam ColemanThey called me and I talked to them for about an hour.
Adam ColemanAnd I just told them, like, here's, here's where I started.
Adam ColemanHere are the arguments that made sense to me.
Adam ColemanHere are the experiences that I had in my life.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, check this video out.
Adam ColemanLike this, like, and understand this.
Adam ColemanAnd like, that's how I ended up coming to this point.
Adam ColemanAnd I had him understand, like, I came from a point of being agnostic for about a decade to saying, I proclaim Jesus Christ as my savior, something I thought I would never do.
Adam ColemanSo I had that conversation with him and what he funny enough and we could talk about this.
Adam ColemanI'm really big on near death experiences, the testimonies from people who, who went through that.
Adam ColemanSo that was one of the things I told him.
Adam ColemanI said, you know, near death experiences and listen to the testimonies, and listen to a whole bunch of them.
Adam ColemanWas really profound to hear their testimonies.
Adam ColemanNot just like, oh, I heard one person, but like a series of testimonies and seeing where the overlaps are, reading their mannerisms, are they exaggerating?
Adam ColemanYou know, are they nervous?
Adam ColemanLike, just like reading the people, trying to see how authentic the stories appear to be based off of how they're telling it, amongst other things.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, I was telling him that.
Adam ColemanHe was like, oh.
Adam ColemanAnd you know, I never looked into that.
Adam ColemanThe very next day, he sends me a message and he's like, bro, why did I go on YouTube?
Adam ColemanAnd YouTube recommended near death experiences.
Will SpencerI was like, they're always listening.
Adam ColemanYeah, either the algorithm, guess you're talking to me.
Adam ColemanSo I don't know, but I just thought that was funny.
Adam ColemanI don't know, it was divine intervention or whatever it was.
Adam ColemanBut just the fact that I was able to have that conversation because I was open enough to talk about what I was going through.
Adam ColemanYou know, I haven't talked to him privately in a minute and in probably a couple months.
Adam ColemanBut, you know, maybe that was a catalyst for him to come to Christ.
Adam ColemanAnd so I just try to think about that.
Adam ColemanAnd that's just one person who reached out to me who wasn't even sure if I would respond to him.
Adam ColemanWho knows how many people have seen my videos, have read my story, has thought about what I said about coming to Christ, that Actually brings them closer to Christ.
Adam ColemanYou know, who's seen my journey?
Adam ColemanEven someone like Russell Brand.
Adam ColemanHow many people does Russell Brandt have connection to from a distance who listen to what he says and listens to his arguments and why he came to the conclusion that he able to help bring closer to Christ.
Adam ColemanSo I mean, you know, anything can be corrupted.
Adam ColemanYou know, your, your public Persona can be corrupted, so you become self indulging and narcissistic or you can use that same public perception to help other people and sacrifice a little bit of your time to help someone that you don't even know.
Will SpencerAmen.
Will SpencerAmen.
Will SpencerSo when you were coming to faith, which I gather was happening 2020 around the George Floyd kind of things, what were some of the arguments that persuaded you out of agnosticism?
Adam ColemanSo reading the book.
Adam ColemanSo for people who haven't read the book, there's a lot of storytelling, I know a lot of personal stories and lessons from stories.
Adam ColemanAnd when you do stuff like that, you come very retrospective.
Adam ColemanYou start thinking about all these different things.
Adam ColemanAnd you know, I had a childhood trauma.
Adam ColemanI had unfortunate stuff that happened to me as an adult and what I started thinking about those moments where things weren't good but something happened to keep it from being worse.
Adam ColemanSo I think sometimes people think like, oh, well, things were going bad and then suddenly something rescued me.
Adam ColemanEverything was okay.
Adam ColemanBut for me, the times that I think about, we're not necessarily like, I'll just give an example.
Adam ColemanNot getting into the whole backstory.
Adam ColemanThis is a little bit long.
Adam ColemanI moved from New Jersey to Tennessee and I thought I had a place to stay.
Adam ColemanCome to find out the person had lied to me that I was supposed to stay with.
Adam ColemanThe good thing was I had a job that I already got hired for.
Adam ColemanI came there on a Friday and I was starting the job on a Monday and.
Adam ColemanBut had no place to stay.
Adam ColemanThere was a guy I happened to know in Alabama.
Adam ColemanHe let me stay at his place for the weekend.
Adam ColemanBut Monday came around and I know where to stay.
Adam ColemanI went to work and my new boss obviously knew that was coming from New Jersey.
Adam ColemanHe's like, so how's everything going?
Adam ColemanAnd my instinct is always like, oh, it's fine because it's my problem.
Adam ColemanI got to deal with it.
Adam ColemanBut I told him the truth and I don't know why I told him the truth.
Adam ColemanNormally I would just lie and just kind of deal with it and just wallowing, whatever.
Adam ColemanBut I told him the truth.
Adam ColemanAnd a couple hours later he pulled me to the side and he Said, hey, the supervisors and myself are pulling our money together to put you in a hotel room so you have enough money to buy to get your own place.
Will SpencerPraise God.
Adam ColemanWe don't want anything.
Adam ColemanAnd let me tell you, you want to motivate someone to work really hard.
Adam ColemanI was like, man, yeah, I will.
Adam ColemanThey're like, can you work overtime?
Adam ColemanI will do whatever overtime you want.
Adam ColemanI didn't care.
Adam ColemanThat's right, I will do whatever.
Adam ColemanI was a model employee the entire time I was there because I was just so thankful that they did that.
Adam ColemanAnd they did that for, I want to say, almost a month and a half.
Adam ColemanWe have these weekly hotels that were relatively cheap in Nashville at the time, but they pulled their money together, put me in these hotels.
Adam ColemanI had gotten a few checks at that point and I got a one bedroom apartment for 500 bucks.
Adam ColemanIt was really cheap at the time.
Adam ColemanIt was 500 bucks a month.
Adam ColemanNo deposit.
Adam ColemanSo I was finally able to get in there.
Adam ColemanNo furniture, but I was in shelter.
Adam ColemanYeah, yeah.
Adam ColemanBut I think about moments like that.
Adam ColemanThey didn't give me money to get in an apartment.
Adam ColemanThey gave me money.
Adam ColemanSo I just had enough shelter.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanAnd I was able to earn money along the way so I can feed myself.
Adam ColemanAnd they helped me at the shelter.
Adam ColemanSo they didn't completely rescue me, but they did something on the goodness of their heart.
Adam ColemanAnd they don't even know me.
Adam ColemanThat's the other part.
Adam ColemanIt's not like been there for years and like Adam's on hard times.
Adam ColemanThey didn't know me.
Adam ColemanI was quite literally a stranger.
Adam ColemanIt was the first day they even knew I existed in person.
Adam ColemanAnd so, you know, I think about stuff like that.
Adam ColemanIt would prompt these people to help me like that because they didn't have to.
Adam ColemanEspecially be one thing if that manager on the side said, I'm going to help you.
Adam ColemanBut they all pulled their money together and wanted to sacrifice to help me.
Adam ColemanAnd they didn't know me.
Adam ColemanAnd I.
Adam ColemanAnd I know some of them were Christians.
Adam ColemanAnd so I just, I just think about, I think about stuff like that.
Adam ColemanWhat prompt people to go above and beyond for someone they don't even know, you know?
Adam ColemanSo it's.
Adam ColemanIt's moments like that when I was being retrospective of my life that I was like, something's there.
Adam ColemanI didn't experience with the Holy Ghost.
Adam ColemanI didn't know it was the Holy Ghost at the time.
Adam ColemanI just knew the feeling that I experienced about getting too long into it.
Adam ColemanMy, My great.
Adam ColemanI'm sorry, my grand aunt, my My grandfather's sister.
Adam ColemanShe was like my grandmother to me.
Adam ColemanMy actual grandmother had died when I was very young.
Adam ColemanShe passed away.
Adam ColemanI saw her because she had left hospice and she was in terrible condition.
Adam ColemanAnd I saw her and she was in a lot of pain.
Adam ColemanI left that night.
Adam ColemanThe next morning I got a call that she had passed away.
Adam ColemanAnd I was very distraught.
Adam ColemanIt was probably the saddest I've been about someone, someone that I lost.
Adam ColemanAnd they were.
Adam ColemanI'm in New Jersey, they're in Massachusetts.
Adam ColemanThe family asked me to be a pallbearer and I said yes.
Adam ColemanSo I went to the funeral.
Adam ColemanI'm trying to keep together because I don't like crying in front of people, but I'm trying to keep it together.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm kind of like, to the point where I'm like.
Adam ColemanI'm thinking myself, after this is over, I'm just.
Adam ColemanI'm just gonna go home, my place, because I don't.
Adam ColemanI don't want to be around anybody.
Adam ColemanAnd I make it to the grave site.
Adam ColemanI get out of the car and the.
Adam ColemanActually my cousin's pastor.
Adam ColemanPastor was read something and then got cued to come over to lift the casket.
Adam ColemanAnd in my head I'm thinking, oh, man, this.
Adam ColemanIt's going to be floodgates now, man.
Adam ColemanAnd I put my hand on the casket and I felt this overwhelming sense that she's okay.
Adam ColemanLike, it's just.
Adam ColemanAnd I said, what the f.
Adam ColemanWas that?
Adam ColemanFrom that moment, for the entire time I was there, I did not cry anymore.
Adam ColemanLike, I knew in my soul that she was fine.
Adam ColemanNow I'm crying, but yeah, I knew that.
Adam ColemanI knew that she was fine.
Adam ColemanAnd, ah, that's why I tell the story.
Will SpencerIt's okay.
Will SpencerTake your time.
Adam ColemanSo when I go back in time and I think about that, I'm like, how do I explain that?
Adam ColemanYou know, I just.
Adam ColemanI just set up as far as I'm distraught, I want to go home, be alone and just cry out and just deal with it and putting my hand or casket and just overwhelmingly, I didn't talk myself into that.
Adam ColemanI didn't.
Adam ColemanThat wasn't me.
Adam ColemanThat was something else.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, that was.
Adam ColemanThat was like, I tell that story in the book, so that's when people understand.
Adam ColemanLike, I'm coming from a place where I'm not even sure if there's God.
Adam ColemanBut in the book, I came to a point, as I'm being in perspective to saying that there is God and not fully understand even as I tell that story, that it's it's the, it's the Holy Ghost that touched me.
Adam ColemanBut you know, just explaining as, like, I felt like there's a higher power that, that blessed me with getting rid of that, that grief because that was one of the best, because I have.
Will SpencerOh.
Adam ColemanIt'S okay.
Will SpencerI get it.
Adam ColemanSo that was, that was the weekend of the first Black Panther movie came out.
Adam ColemanAnd all this as a family, like it was just nothing but celebration.
Adam ColemanIt was so nice.
Adam ColemanAnd you know, if I didn't have that happen, so, yeah, if I didn't have happen, I wouldn't miss out on all that.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah, there's.
Adam ColemanThere's so much more.
Adam ColemanThere's so much more that I can get into.
Will SpencerWell, thank you for letting all of us into that moment.
Will SpencerI can feel the impact that it had on you.
Will SpencerAnd I can imagine coming from an agnostic framework, to put your hand on the casket and suddenly feel the sense of peace.
Will SpencerAnd essentially what you're feeling is she's in a better place, she's okay.
Will SpencerAnd you're being confronted in a very real, visceral, emotional, felt sense way about the reality of eternity in a way that you didn't expect.
Will SpencerYou expected to be grieving her loss, but instead it was almost maybe somewhere in there you felt a sense of celebration.
Will SpencerLike this wasn't something to be sad about, this was something to be happy about.
Will SpencerAnd then you got to enjoy.
Will SpencerAmazing.
Adam ColemanAnd that's where like the near death experience testimonies were like really profound that I started getting into the past.
Adam ColemanWas it six or so months?
Adam ColemanSix, eight months?
Adam ColemanEspecially since the beginning of this year was the how people explained how Christ, how Christ walked away all of their grief, all their insecurities.
Adam ColemanThe afterlife removed all of the earthly pain, you know, the insecurities, the jealousy, all that stuff, the worry, all of that was gone.
Adam ColemanPeople who had stories of being healed, and these are people, so people understand, these are people who are clinically dead.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, these aren't.
Adam ColemanI had a dream and I woke up.
Adam ColemanThese are people who are clinically dead, sometimes for minutes, sometimes for hours, who come back and have such a profound experience.
Adam ColemanBut you know, a story that there's common stories that happen where Price, either Jesus himself or God wipes away their grief.
Adam ColemanYou know, people who go into the afterlife who are grieving the loss of something, the loss of someone especially, and before they go back, he wipes away their grief.
Adam ColemanAnd like that, that type of stuff is like, man, that's.
Adam ColemanIt's so profound.
Adam ColemanAnd the more I understand about Jesus Christ.
Adam ColemanThat's really profound for me is he's the only God that has suffered in human form.
Adam ColemanAnd so he's the most relatable and he understands, you know, and that's why it gets.
Adam ColemanI get frustrated with lack of understanding what people are going through, the lack of empathy.
Adam ColemanAnd it's like we were taught the born again situation.
Adam ColemanI said, man, there's so many people like former drug addicts, like Russell Ben, former drug addict.
Adam ColemanYou know, just all these people who are just suffered.
Adam ColemanAnd you know, it reminds me of in the Bible, why they were questioning why Jesus Christ is around.
Adam ColemanYou know, the prostitutes, you know, tax collectors and all these people.
Adam ColemanHe says they need me more.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanHe didn't remove himself from them.
Adam ColemanHe came close to them.
Adam ColemanHe understands.
Adam ColemanHe understands how difficult this life is, which is why he says, you know, to.
Adam ColemanI'm probably going to butcher, but like to.
Adam ColemanTo put on all your anxiety onto him, all your burdens on him, you know.
Adam ColemanAnd so when I hear these stories of them having that experience of seeing Jesus Christ and he taking the burden off of them and onto himself so they can come back this earth and move forward with the rest of their purpose of being here.
Adam ColemanListen, someone could be lying.
Adam ColemanAnybody can be lying.
Adam ColemanBut I have a hard time believing that thousands upon thousands of people tell their testimonies who have nothing to gain from it.
Adam ColemanMost of these people.
Adam ColemanVery rarely are any of these people writing books about their experience or anything like that.
Adam ColemanAnd even if they did, it doesn't mean they're lying.
Adam ColemanMost of them are hesitant to even talk about their stories.
Adam ColemanAnd not all of them are stories of going to heaven and seeing Christ.
Adam ColemanMany of them are experiencing what it's like going to hell and coming back.
Adam ColemanEven those stories were profound because for many of them, as they're falling in this pit of darkness, it's the blackest black that they've ever seen where they can't see their hand in front of their face is so black and they are able to call out Jesus name and light opens and he pulls them out of the pit.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's that kind of profound understanding.
Adam ColemanAnd so people hear these stories.
Adam ColemanThese aren't dreams.
Adam ColemanThese are nightmares.
Adam ColemanThese are circumstances of people who are actually dead where people can't explain how this person is still alive, where they come back and they're healed, you know, So I.
Adam ColemanI think there's just so much that is there.
Adam ColemanHave you seen one where there's possibly someone lying?
Adam ColemanSure, you can account for that, but man, Not.
Adam ColemanNot thousands upon thousands of people who have nothing to gain from it.
Adam ColemanAnd when you look, when you watch people long enough, you can generally.
Adam ColemanGenerally tell someone who is lying, who's acting, who's embellishing.
Adam ColemanAnd the vast majority of these people, just like I was telling you my story with my.
Adam ColemanWith my granddaughter, and I, you know, it's coming from hard, and I'm crying.
Adam ColemanI'm watching these people go through the same experience, you know, and doing this, and they're not public figures, you know, they have nothing to gain from this.
Adam ColemanThey just want to share their story.
Adam ColemanAnd hopefully people understand why they changed their entire life.
Adam ColemanThey switched from being a Muslim to a Christian, right after this experience, they were confronted with so many different things, changed professions, changed everything, and came to Christ.
Adam ColemanLike, there's a reason why.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah, I think these ND experiences are far, far more profound than people give them.
Will SpencerMm.
Will SpencerYeah.
Will SpencerAnd that the.
Will SpencerThe total life change is the real.
Will SpencerIs the real testimony, right?
Will SpencerThat's the shift that, like, I had this experience, right.
Will SpencerAnd it touched me in a deep, emotional way, and I realized I have to change my life.
Will SpencerAnd then you change your life, right.
Will SpencerThat is the surest testimony of the gospel of Christ.
Will SpencerTo see sinners saved.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerAnd to see that pattern happen over and over again, and also for it almost to be, in some sense, kind of effortless.
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerSo I spent a long time in the new age doing a lot of inner healing stuff, you know, not just therapy, but a bunch of other stuff, turning myself inside out to try and grieve and grow and know, spiritually evolve, et cetera.
Will SpencerI mean, that was a big part of my life, a big part of why I traveled and since coming to Christ in the past four years, the growth in the same sense, I don't want to say it's been effortless, because that's not the right word, but the growth has come very naturally.
Will SpencerIt's required letting a lot of things go, but just opening my hands and just feeling the growth happen.
Will SpencerWhat I fought and, you know, and suffered for, a small little morsel of growth is given so freely by the Holy Spirit and in Christ that it's like, what was I ever doing messing around with all that stuff, except perhaps to show me, by contrast, you know, like, there's the hard way.
Will SpencerSure, do it the hard way.
Will SpencerSee if you get anywhere versus the easy way.
Will SpencerAnd that's the thing.
Will SpencerLike, just last week I had someone asked me, he said, you know, you've been through so many different phases of different Religions, religions and spiritual traditions.
Will SpencerLike, how do you know this isn't just another phase?
Will SpencerAnd he was asking in good faith.
Will SpencerLike, he was, he was essentially testing my profession of faith.
Will SpencerAnd he had every right to in the situation.
Will SpencerSo I didn't, he didn't like, just walk up to me and say, hey bro, I have a question for you.
Will SpencerI would have fielded that too.
Will SpencerBut like, I understand why he was asking because it's like we have something precious here that we want to protect and we want to make sure that you're as sincere about it as we are.
Will SpencerAnd so I appreciate that skepticism and like there, it needs to be suffused with grace.
Will SpencerIt needs to be like, no, I genuinely want to know you and hear who you are.
Will SpencerI want to believe that what you have to say is true.
Will SpencerBut like, I want it to be true.
Will SpencerNot for my sake.
Will SpencerI want it to be true for your sake.
Will SpencerThat's what he's saying to me.
Will SpencerAnd so, and so I appreciate it.
Will SpencerI have always appreciated that pushback on me.
Will SpencerLike, please ask me questions, like, I will tell you about the guy that I was.
Will SpencerI remember being dead.
Will SpencerI can describe to you what it's like to be dead.
Will SpencerAnd so it's, it's a, it's to hear the story of how it impacted you and how it impacted this person with the near death experience.
Will SpencerIt's like, yes, this is real.
Will SpencerAnd so to meet people inside the church who grew up in the church who don't have experience, like, look at what you have.
Will SpencerTake it seriously.
Adam ColemanYeah, that, that's, that's, that's so it.
Adam ColemanJust take it seriously and cherish it.
Adam ColemanYou know, the.
Adam ColemanI cherish, I cherish where I'm at and I cherish our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Adam ColemanEven more so because, you know, I keep going back to struggle and suffering.
Adam ColemanAnd for many years when I suffered, I didn't understand why I had to go through that, you know, because the way we talk about a culture is like, suffering is only bad, right?
Adam ColemanAnd then there are some cultures, you, suffering is a result of a previous life or something like that, but suffering is always bad.
Adam ColemanAnd so if you're right and if you're, if you're succeeding, what's always good, right?
Adam ColemanSuccess is always good.
Adam ColemanThe scientists who said always having money is good.
Adam ColemanWell, if that's the case, then how come there are millionaires who kill themselves?
Will SpencerThat's right.
Adam ColemanAnd how come there are people who don't have very much who are happy and joyful, right?
Adam ColemanBut even more so to the struggle.
Adam ColemanLike, there's purpose in struggle.
Adam ColemanAnd like, obvious.
Adam ColemanThe most obvious example of that is Jesus Christ literally suffering for our sins.
Adam ColemanThere was purpose for him to do that.
Adam ColemanWhat he did was a sacrifice, and it was positive.
Adam ColemanThere was a lesson to be learned from it.
Adam ColemanAnd it was something that was necessary, and it was positive to do.
Adam ColemanAnd so his struggle, there was a point for it.
Adam ColemanAnd what I started realizing as well was that there's a point for my struggling.
Adam ColemanThe reason I'm not very afraid of, you know, online haters or cancer mobs is because I suffered.
Adam ColemanIt's because I went through all these different things, and I'm okay.
Adam ColemanI'm okay with that.
Adam ColemanAnd now I have an opportunity, because I've been very fortunate.
Adam ColemanI have an opportunity to use my struggle as a lesson for other people to understand.
Adam ColemanI can use my struggle to relate to other people who are struggling, to help them pull themselves out, even if it's just one person.
Adam ColemanI can.
Adam ColemanI can use.
Adam ColemanI can use my story in a positive light, just in the same way we use other people's stories in a positive light.
Adam ColemanAnd so, you know, I don't.
Adam ColemanI don't regret anything that I went through.
Adam ColemanI don't regret being homeless.
Adam ColemanI don't regret my father not being in my life.
Adam ColemanYou know, I don't regret any of this stuff.
Adam ColemanI can't change any of it.
Adam ColemanI'm not resentful.
Adam ColemanI'm not angry.
Adam ColemanI'm not.
Adam ColemanNone of these things.
Adam ColemanI am here.
Adam ColemanAnd the only thing I can do is use, excuse me, use the parts where I suffered and struggled to try to help somebody else and learn something from it and appreciate things.
Adam ColemanI've been homeless three times in my life.
Adam ColemanYou know, I named one of the times, you know, where people had to pay for me to stay in a hotel.
Adam ColemanI was homeless twice as a kid.
Adam ColemanStayed in a homeless shelter once and, you know, stay with some strangers another time a stranger in a.
Adam ColemanAnd a trailer.
Adam ColemanAnd I know what it's like to feel insecure about where you live.
Adam ColemanI always like to have no job and struggling to find employment.
Adam ColemanLike, I know all that stuff.
Adam ColemanAnd here I am sitting with you with thousands of dollars in computer and camera setup sitting in front of me, and I can pay my bills, and I drive a functioning vehicle, and I have a loving wife, you know, like, so I went through all those things to appreciate, to really appreciate.
Adam ColemanObviously, I didn't have to go through all that to appreciate stuff, but it just adds to another level where I can't Take things for granted.
Adam ColemanI just can't.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's why I have a hard time setting high expectations for this and that.
Adam ColemanIt's like, man the lows that I've come from.
Adam ColemanLike, I'm just so happy to be here.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanI just.
Adam ColemanDoing the best that I can to go as far as I possibly can, but I know that there's going to be a cap and there's going to be a moment where I have to do something else.
Adam ColemanSo I'm still thankful to be here.
Adam ColemanIf tomorrow no one cares about what I have to say, then I'll deal with that and I'll move on and I'll figure it out.
Adam ColemanAnd even more so, I have Christ by my side and I'll be okay.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, I think, I think it's really important to be thankful.
Adam ColemanObviously you don't have to lose everything to be thankful for what you have, but I just wish people were more introspective about the reality of their life.
Will SpencerYeah, there's in sort of secular culture, there's a big sort of gratitude, thankfulness kind of movement that's happening, but it's not Christ centric.
Will SpencerSo like, who are you, who are you giving?
Will SpencerWho are you thanking for all these things?
Will SpencerI read, there's something that I read online couple, couple weeks ago.
Will SpencerIt's been kind of living rent free in my head, and it said, you know, if, if, if everything that you didn't say give thanks for this week were taken away tomorrow, right?
Will SpencerLike, like think of, think of all the things in your most recent prayer that you didn't give thanks for.
Will SpencerImagine that they'll be taken away tomorrow.
Will SpencerAnd I was like, oh my gosh, how many things am I not giving thankful thanks for?
Will SpencerYou know, sitting down, making myself breakfast, like, you know, the, the blood in my veins, the air in my lungs, the food on my plate, the, the power, you know, the safety, the health, all of these different things.
Will SpencerRecognizing the overwhelming bounty of life that, that I, that I've been given in that moment that we've been given.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerOf course.
Will SpencerAnd there are other people that don't have those things right.
Will SpencerFor, for various, for various reasons.
Will SpencerAnd so to recognize.
Will SpencerAnd this ties into the, the conversation about travel in America.
Will SpencerAnd this ties into the conversation about, about, you know, recognizing the good of growing up inside the church on like, being told what the faith and the straight and narrow is as opposed to having to find it later in life.
Will SpencerLike these overwhelming bounties that so many of us have and yet we have A culture that catechizes us in want and need and desire.
Will SpencerAnd so it seems like no matter, no matter how many blessings we have showering around us inside America right now, almost no matter where we are, that there's always this, but I gotta have more.
Will SpencerIt's like, well, are you properly giving thanks for what you have now?
Will SpencerThat's good and also what's bad?
Will SpencerAnd that's the part that I love about what you said.
Will SpencerAnd I want to read, of course, the famous passage, if I May, just Romans 8, 28, 29.
Will SpencerAnd we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good.
Will SpencerFor those who are called according to his purpose, for those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Will SpencerSo the suffering that we experience, the hard things that we go through conform us to the image of Christ.
Will SpencerIt's not meaningless suffering, right?
Will SpencerIt's all turned to this ultimate highest good and like, hallelujah.
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerAnd so that's, that's, that's.
Will SpencerThat's the gift of being able to look at the long roads that any of us, you and I in this case, have walked to come to Christ and to recognize, like, I have this.
Will SpencerI'm good.
Will SpencerServing in this way against the online haters, against the difficulties that come with being a public person, the difficulties of being questioned and challenged.
Will SpencerLike, yes, I know what it took to get here, so I'm okay being asked these questions and being subjected to scrutiny if it's done with grace, but sometimes it isn't.
Will SpencerSo you don't have control over that anyway.
Adam ColemanYeah, I don't most of the time.
Adam ColemanIt's not dumb and Greece, if I'm honest with you.
Will SpencerThat's right.
Adam ColemanThat's very.
Adam ColemanEverything these days is very deaf of grace, so.
Adam ColemanBut it's okay.
Adam ColemanIt's okay.
Adam ColemanLike, I just wish there was more grace for other people, not necessarily for myself.
Adam ColemanI wish there was more understanding of what other people are going through.
Adam ColemanNo, I think sometimes.
Adam ColemanI think sometimes people carve out.
Will SpencerPart.
Adam ColemanOf what it means to be a Christian and ignore the other parts.
Adam ColemanSome people want to be, you know, Jesus Christ turned over tables.
Adam ColemanThey want to be that Christian.
Adam ColemanRight?
Adam ColemanAh, you know, tell how it is.
Adam ColemanAnd then there are other people who just paint Jesus Christ as this hippie dippy guy who just accepted everyone, and you're all wonderful.
Adam ColemanAnd it's like, well, no, it's.
Adam ColemanIt's both in more Right.
Adam ColemanThere's an understanding that he is just, he's also gracious, he's understanding, but he still has rules.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanLike there's a balance.
Adam ColemanAnd actually if I can go back a little bit, you made me think about something.
Adam ColemanYou're talking about how it feels effortless and.
Adam ColemanBut I know what you mean comparatively.
Adam ColemanRight, okay, but I know what you mean.
Adam ColemanI think the word I would use is that it feels natural.
Will SpencerYeah.
Adam ColemanAnd that's.
Adam ColemanI had somebody tell me like I was already, I was already acting Christ like without realizing I was acting Christ like because I started doing things that felt natural.
Adam ColemanLike I started listening to myself like when I started traveling and I got rid of that social anxiety which is, it's like a wall that prevents you from trusting yourself and listening to yourself.
Adam ColemanWhen you stick your yourself somewhere that you have no, know nothing about, you have no choice but to listen to yourself and to talk to yourself and to trust yourself.
Adam ColemanAnd that inner voice is not just my voice.
Adam ColemanYeah, it, it's God has also helped to, to guide me and that's that, that like a God given instinct, you know.
Adam ColemanAnd so when I'm meeting someone and I'm like, something's not right about this person.
Adam ColemanI have no information other than my instinct.
Adam ColemanI need to stay away from this person or I need to go towards this person.
Adam ColemanThere's something about this person I need to go towards.
Adam ColemanAnd I started listening to that not just occasionally, but all the time.
Adam ColemanAnd every time since I tried to stretch like, well, you know, I tried to make excuses for someone or something, it always bit in the ass every single time.
Adam ColemanAnd it's like, lesson learned once again.
Adam ColemanMy instincts are 100 correct.
Adam ColemanAnd so, you know, coming to that and listening to my instincts and, and once you start doing that, your instincts are natural, Everything just feels natural.
Adam ColemanLike I have a friend who's a theologian, she's a theologian and a journalist.
Adam ColemanAnd our first conversation, she was, she was interviewing me for a Dutch newspaper that she was working for.
Adam ColemanShe's.
Adam ColemanShe read something that I wrote.
Adam ColemanShe's based in Netherlands and she wanted to interview me for the.
Adam ColemanTheir paper.
Adam ColemanExcuse me.
Adam ColemanAnd we had this like this first time ever talking.
Adam ColemanWe just had this really comfortable understanding conversation.
Adam ColemanAnd she told me after that, towards the end of that conversation, she said, you know, you're the most Christ like person I've talked to in a long time.
Adam ColemanNow this is before I like completely, you know, proclaimed my love to Christ.
Adam ColemanBut I was being slowly like introduced to different Christians and I was becoming more and more open to it.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, she.
Adam ColemanWe're still friends.
Adam ColemanAnd she told me.
Adam ColemanWhat I mean by that is it's coming natural to you because you're listening to yourself.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's just very natural.
Adam ColemanSo when I go to her and I say, biblically, what is this?
Adam ColemanAnd she tells me, I said, that's what I thought.
Adam ColemanAnd it's because, yeah, my instincts are telling me, like, this is right or this is wrong.
Adam ColemanLike, obviously there's a.
Adam ColemanThere's a biblical text that.
Adam ColemanThat explains in detail and we should understand these things.
Adam ColemanBut every time I read a piece of text, I'm like, well, yeah, that makes sense.
Adam ColemanLike, to me, it just.
Adam ColemanIt just seems natural.
Adam ColemanIt makes sense.
Adam ColemanAnd then when I hear texts from other face about very specific things, it seems like they're trying to convince you to do something that is not natural.
Adam ColemanWell, in this circumstance, it is.
Adam ColemanI was like, wait, whenever I read the Christian faith, it is never circumstantial.
Adam ColemanIt is never thou shall not kill.
Adam ColemanUnless it's like, well, it's just.
Adam ColemanThat's.
Adam ColemanThat's what they.
Adam ColemanYeah, there's an asterisk next to it.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's.
Adam ColemanIt's like, that's.
Adam ColemanThat's the part where I'm like, well, yeah, like, this is.
Adam ColemanThis is.
Adam ColemanEverything about this is very much so natural.
Adam ColemanAnd if something is natural, it feels effortless.
Adam ColemanLike, I don't have to try very hard.
Adam ColemanAnd I've always.
Adam ColemanI've always had a strong sense of guilt.
Adam ColemanLike, I know that I can't.
Adam ColemanI can't do certain things because I feel so guilty.
Adam ColemanAnd I've always been like that.
Adam ColemanI used to call it a curse because, you know, you see your friends doing certain things, you're like, oh, I wish I could do that.
Adam ColemanI wish I could go here, do that, and not feel bad about it.
Adam ColemanBut now I'm like, man, it's a real blessing because it's like, it steers me in the right direction.
Adam ColemanAnd now that I have my.
Adam ColemanMy sense of.
Adam ColemanStrong sense of what's moral and border, like, what's.
Adam ColemanWhat's guarding, that is knowing that I will feel such a strong sense of guilt that I have no choice but to rectify what I just did.
Adam ColemanLike, and that helps to keep me in line understanding that if I listen to my instincts, my moral compass is on point 100 of the time.
Adam ColemanThat's God given.
Adam ColemanSo every.
Adam ColemanEverything about this, it feels so natural and normal that for, like, the first time in my life, I don't have to, I don't have to think very hard about what I'm doing, am doing this right, or anything like that.
Adam ColemanIt's just, it's just there.
Will SpencerSome people would regard the.
Will SpencerA living conscience as a curse, right?
Will SpencerAnd I heard you say that earlier.
Will SpencerLike the pain of a conscience that's saying, don't do that, don't do that, right?
Will SpencerOr even though everyone else is doing that, don't do that.
Will SpencerLike, a living conscience in, especially in culture today can feel like a curse because all the popular kids are doing this or all of, all of society is telling you to do this or trying to get you to buy this or engage in this.
Will SpencerAnd it's like something inside me is very inconveniently telling me not to do it.
Will SpencerAnd I get into arguments like this on Twitter with atheists.
Will SpencerI say like, well, do you have a conscience?
Will SpencerDo you know right from wrong?
Will SpencerAnd they'll say something like, yeah, but that's just socially conditioned, right?
Will SpencerAnd then I'll show them a picture of like tank man from Tiananmen Square, the guy who stood in front of the, in front of the tanks, you know, like that is that kind of behavior which is exemplary of so many other kinds of behavior that are just like it.
Will SpencerThat's not socially conditioned.
Will SpencerThat's the behavior.
Will SpencerThere's, there's no one who says stand in front of a line of tanks.
Will SpencerAnd that guy, by the way, he didn't know he was being photographed.
Will SpencerLike, he didn't know, like, oh, there's cameras up there, so I'm going to go do this.
Will SpencerNo, he did that exclusively because it was right to him in that moment, the most inconvenient thing.
Will SpencerAnd that's the conscience, right?
Will SpencerAnd so the conscience can't be socially conditioned because the conscience tells us to do things that are often, quote, unquote, antisocial.
Will SpencerBut to live in alignment with our conscience is the best blessing because it means we can sleep at night.
Will SpencerWe don't have to worry about that thing that I said that one time or that thing that, you know, no one saw me do, but, you know, I know that I did it.
Will SpencerIt's like, it's a, it's a gift if we have the self discipline to act in accordance with it.
Will SpencerAnd that, I think, is the hardest thing for so many men and women too.
Will SpencerLike just part of the human condition to have the self discipline to act in alignment with our conscience when it's antisocial, when it's sort of counterproductive to the group and I think that's being weaponized by a lot of.
Will SpencerAgainst a lot of people today.
Adam ColemanYeah, absolutely.
Adam ColemanAbsolutely.
Adam ColemanYou know, I was just thinking about the last time my conscience beat me the hell up.
Adam ColemanWas.
Adam ColemanSo when I.
Adam ColemanWhen I.
Adam ColemanWhen I write, and it's not often like, sure, that's what I'm saying.
Adam ColemanLike, it's very rare when I wrote something.
Adam ColemanActually.
Adam ColemanNo, I think it's better if I tell you this.
Adam ColemanYou know, Twitter is a.
Adam ColemanInteresting place.
Adam ColemanYou get caught up in stuff, and.
Adam ColemanAnd.
Adam ColemanAnd that's why I.
Adam ColemanI actually call.
Adam ColemanI call Twitter demonic in nature.
Adam ColemanIt doesn't have to be.
Adam ColemanBut anything that separates people in its natural state is to separate people is something that is demonic.
Adam ColemanAnd obviously, you can.
Adam ColemanYou could take anything and make something positive out of it, but I.
Adam ColemanI see it as an avenue that steers towards separation, whether it's mocking people, ridiculing people, blocking people, you know, yelling at people, defaming, canceling.
Adam ColemanLike, all that stuff you get rewarded to do on that platform.
Adam ColemanAnd because it.
Adam ColemanIn my opinion, that is demonic in nature, it's very easy if you're not.
Adam ColemanIf you're not conscious of it, to fall on that path, even just slightly.
Adam ColemanAnd I had accidentally.
Adam ColemanI had accidentally mocked someone who was suffering, and I.
Adam ColemanWhen I realized that, and then their followers were coming after me, and I.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, I didn't know that.
Adam ColemanLike, I was trying to.
Adam ColemanLike, I didn't know that.
Adam ColemanI didn't know that.
Adam ColemanAnd then I deleted what I tweeted, and I felt such guilt for, like, an entire day.
Adam ColemanAnd I posted, I'm taking a break.
Adam ColemanLike, I need to get off of here.
Adam ColemanI'm taking a break.
Adam ColemanAnd then I think a day or two later, I sent out that woman a private message apologizing to her.
Adam ColemanAnd I said, I don't expect you to respond.
Adam ColemanI just want to tell you that I'm really sorry.
Adam ColemanI didn't know that you were suffering.
Adam ColemanIf I did, I would have never said that.
Adam ColemanIt's not my intention to hurt people on here.
Adam ColemanYou know, I got caught up with all the other stuff, and I thought you were this.
Adam ColemanAnd I do know, and I'm really sorry.
Adam ColemanYou know, if you want to tell your story on my platform, I would welcome you to do that, but I just wanted to let you know that I'm really sorry for hurting you.
Adam ColemanAnd she responded and said, wow, this never happens on her, and it never happens.
Adam ColemanYou know, just someone saying, I was wrong, and I am so sorry, and I did not mean to hurt you and really meant a lot because, you know, people hurt someone and they just move on and pretend that happened.
Adam ColemanMy conscience did not stop bothering me until I did that, until I acknowledged that I messed up.
Adam ColemanSo, like, I'm so glad to have a conscience like that, because I don't know how.
Adam ColemanHow badly I hurt that lady.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanAnd maybe me apologizing was a way for her to alleviate that hurt and understand where I'm coming from.
Adam ColemanAnd we're were both alleviating that pain because I was humble enough to say I was wrong.
Adam ColemanI'm in the wrong here.
Adam ColemanI'm so sorry.
Adam ColemanAnd to understand where she's coming from because, you know, I get it.
Adam ColemanI get why she said what she said, what, you know, and what she's going through.
Adam ColemanSo.
Adam ColemanAnd just so people kind of understand, she was.
Adam ColemanShe was affected by Covid, I believe, a COVID vaccine.
Adam ColemanAnd I didn't know that.
Adam ColemanI saw her as somebody who was like, you see all these people who are.
Adam ColemanSeem kind of crazy, just wearing masks and stuff like that and kind of freak out over.
Adam ColemanOver these very things.
Adam ColemanBut she was someone who was sick because of the COVID vaccine.
Will SpencerWell, vaccine injury.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanSo.
Adam ColemanSo she was like, hyper.
Adam ColemanHyper vigilant about everything, because I can't remember.
Adam ColemanIt was just her.
Adam ColemanI think it might have been her kids as well or something like that.
Adam ColemanI can't remember in great detail, but that's kind of the basis of the mockery that I engaged in.
Adam ColemanAnd I didn't realize I was mocking someone who was actually hurting.
Will SpencerHave you talked about this on your Twitter since then, or is this the first time you've spoken about it?
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI wrote.
Adam ColemanI wrote a substack piece about it.
Adam ColemanAs I was saying, I'm taking a break because I realized I got caught up there.
Adam ColemanYou know, there were a whole bunch of things.
Adam ColemanElon had retweeted me.
Adam ColemanI got.
Adam ColemanI got attacked by white supremacists who call me the N word.
Adam ColemanI was getting attacked by black leftists who were calling me coons.
Adam ColemanLike, it was just at first.
Adam ColemanI can't make anyone happy.
Adam ColemanYou can't make anyone happy.
Adam ColemanI'm just.
Adam ColemanI'm all the above.
Will SpencerI like you.
Adam ColemanI like you as well.
Adam ColemanThank you so much.
Adam ColemanBut, yeah, it was just.
Adam ColemanIt was like every hour I was getting a new hate message.
Adam ColemanI got leftists.
Adam ColemanLeftists and communists in New York City tagged me on Twitter on.
Adam ColemanOn Instagram, and I had to block my mentions.
Adam ColemanAnd it's like.
Adam ColemanSo then that happened like a two Days later, I was just like, I need to get off this platform.
Adam ColemanLike, because I'm.
Adam ColemanOh, yeah, it was just.
Adam ColemanIt was too much.
Adam ColemanIt was too much.
Adam ColemanAnd I was starting.
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI didn't act like myself by hurting somebody.
Adam ColemanSo, yeah.
Will SpencerI see what you mean about feeling that it's demonic, and I agree.
Will SpencerYou know, I've said to a bunch of people that pre.
Will SpencerElon, I think, you know, Twitter was a.
Will SpencerIt was all about censorship, right?
Will SpencerThey constrained the level of dialogue.
Will SpencerAnd now post Elon, it's like the narrative is being driven.
Will SpencerIt's like it's being supercharged, and everyone's getting all frothy much faster in some very destructive ways.
Will SpencerAnd I can't say whether one's better than the other in some ways, but certainly there are.
Will SpencerThere are benefits to free speech.
Will SpencerI mean, I think around the Trump assassination attempt, right?
Will SpencerThat day, Twitter was so far out ahead of the media, in for 48 hours, at least.
Will SpencerAnd so that freedom of information, to let information flow was very, very powerful.
Will SpencerAnd that comes with the costs of people being able to say things that they couldn't say a few years ago that we then get caught up.
Will SpencerAnd it's like, whoa, I need to turn this off.
Will SpencerEspecially when you have influence, like, you have.
Will SpencerI think you.
Will SpencerI think I saw 130,000 Twitter followers.
Will SpencerLike, that's a.
Will SpencerThat's a big deal, right?
Will SpencerAnd it can.
Will SpencerIt can be very easy to fall into that and be like, whoa, okay, whoa.
Will SpencerThere's more.
Will SpencerAs we said earlier, it's not just about me.
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerAnd that's.
Will SpencerAnd.
Will SpencerAnd you felt it becoming about something more than you and I guess in a different way.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanI felt like I wasn't.
Adam ColemanI wasn't myself.
Adam ColemanLike, how.
Adam ColemanAnd people who talk to me on the phone, there have been Twitter friends that I've made.
Adam ColemanWe talk on the phone and stuff like that and talk frequently.
Adam ColemanThey'll.
Adam ColemanThey'll go online, like, whatever.
Adam ColemanYou see Adam on.
Adam ColemanAdam online, that's how he is in real life.
Adam ColemanAnd then people meet me.
Adam ColemanIt's like I'm.
Adam ColemanI'm so even inconsistent.
Adam ColemanLike, it probably drives my wife crazy because it seems like I'm.
Adam ColemanI'm Even temperament.
Adam ColemanI'm consistent.
Adam ColemanIt's very, very rare that I'm emotionally off for an extended period of time.
Adam ColemanSo when I am, it really bothers me, you know?
Adam ColemanAnd so when I.
Adam ColemanWhen I do something like what I did there, it bothers me.
Adam ColemanIt bothers me a lot, you know, not necessarily because I'm trying To be an influencer and tell people to do this and do that.
Adam ColemanBut just on a personal level, I just, I didn't have to apologize to her and I didn't have to tell anybody.
Adam ColemanI have to tell you.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanI could have just moved on with my life, but I felt the need to, you know, and that's, that's, that's the soul aspect, the guilt.
Adam ColemanThat's these, these are God given traits that we have that you can't measure.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's just, it's there.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's there just, you know, you have a soul.
Adam ColemanLike, it's there.
Adam ColemanYou can't put under a magnifying glass.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's.
Adam ColemanBut, you know, it's there.
Adam ColemanAnd so we know what's right and wrong.
Adam ColemanAnd I knew what I did was wrong, and I knew that the only way that I could alleviate that was acknowledging that I was wrong and apologizing to this person.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, and I didn't talk about it publicly.
Adam ColemanTwitter, not because I, I didn't, you know, I was shame, shameful of it and I didn't want to show my shame to the public.
Adam ColemanBut sometimes when you do stuff like that publicly, it can come off as you appearing to be the good guy in front of everybody.
Adam ColemanIt's kind of like when someone films himself giving a homeless person money.
Adam ColemanLike, it's that kind of thing.
Adam ColemanIt's like, well, why are you doing it?
Adam ColemanAre you, are you genuine or are you just doing it to show people, look, I'm, I'm big and I apologize if.
Adam ColemanYou know.
Will SpencerRight.
Adam ColemanYou know, so that's why.
Will SpencerYeah, for, in a situation like that, there's really no need to run that up the flagpole and make a big thing about apologizing to a specific woman.
Will SpencerUnless it's something that everyone saw and everyone reacted to and then it's appropriate.
Will SpencerBut the reason why I asked if you talked about it is because the.
Will SpencerOne of the thoughts that came to my mind is not just the impact that you may have had on that woman that you responded to, but the number of people who are watching you, who saw that in you for a moment.
Will SpencerLike, oh, I feel bad.
Will SpencerYou know, I feel bad for Adam that he did that or I didn't know that about him.
Will SpencerLike, the, you know, because we, like the notion of having fans is quite strange, but it's a thing.
Will SpencerAnd it's like people are, people are watching.
Will SpencerAnd it's like they have high expectations for us and we have high expectations for ourselves.
Will SpencerAnd so it's great to hear about this because I imagine there may be one other person who is watching that, a third party watching that whole, you know, thought something or felt some kind of way about it.
Will SpencerAnd they'll probably be grateful to hear, like, the resolution that happened on the back end, that you actually reached out to the woman and that you spoke to her.
Will SpencerIt's like, oh, that's really cool that he had the courage to sort of step.
Will SpencerTo take a step back and reach out and treat her like a person rather than just a name with an avatar on Twitter.
Will SpencerLike, hey, we're.
Will SpencerWe're through this mediated, pseudo anonymous kind of platform.
Will SpencerWe can't see each other face to face like this.
Will SpencerSo, like, hey, there's a human on this side, and I recognize there's a human on that side, and I didn't treat you like that for a moment, and I'm sorry.
Will SpencerLike, that's huge.
Will SpencerLike, oh, my gosh.
Will SpencerPraise God.
Will SpencerHallelujah.
Adam ColemanYeah, I just.
Adam ColemanI never.
Adam ColemanAlso from the fact that one.
Adam ColemanI deleted it, and it wasn't.
Adam ColemanIt wasn't up terribly long, and I deleted it.
Adam ColemanAnd I know.
Adam ColemanPart of me knows that, like, by that point, it was like, four days later.
Adam ColemanNo one remembers any of this stuff, even if everyone's memory is short.
Adam ColemanSo what did you say?
Will SpencerI forgot.
Adam ColemanExactly.
Adam ColemanYou know, for me, it's like, I already hurt this lady, and she's not a public figure.
Adam ColemanSo that's the other part.
Adam ColemanShe's just some lady.
Adam ColemanAnd so I don't.
Adam ColemanI don't want to make this a public thing and potentially hurt her again.
Adam ColemanEven I might apologize.
Adam ColemanAnd then someone who follows me is like, yeah, but she's still an idiot, blah, blah, blah.
Adam ColemanAnd then I'm just, you know, I just opened the pathway for her to get hurt again.
Adam ColemanSo I, you know, kind of had, like, those things in mind.
Adam ColemanI didn't.
Adam ColemanI wanted to make it as personal as possible.
Adam ColemanAnd honestly, I didn't expect her to even respond.
Adam ColemanYou know, I just wanted to.
Adam ColemanI just wanted to apologize.
Adam ColemanIf she read it and she had nothing to say to me, and she's like, well, you're still an asshole, then so be it.
Adam ColemanBut I wanted to get that off my chest.
Adam ColemanMy conscience.
Adam ColemanAnd I just wanted to put it out there.
Will SpencerI think that's being very responsible.
Will SpencerI mean, you didn't have to say anything.
Will SpencerBut again, this gets back to the point about the conscience.
Will SpencerYour conscience convicted you.
Will SpencerMaybe it wouldn't have made any difference to anyone else in the world or even her, but it made a difference to you.
Will SpencerAnd that's not to make it sound selfish.
Will SpencerIt's like, look, regardless of whatever anyone else thinks, my conscience is telling me I did something wrong here, if only by God's standards, not even by her.
Will SpencerMaybe she didn't even feel all that wronged, or maybe no one else saw and thought it was wrong.
Will SpencerYou thought it was wrong, God thought it was wrong.
Will SpencerAnd so you act.
Will SpencerAnd that's a gift.
Will SpencerSome people don't.
Will SpencerSome people don't have that.
Will SpencerA lot of people don't have that.
Will SpencerAnd I think more than anything that we should pray for those people that they have that.
Will SpencerBut I think it's all.
Will SpencerPeople fear it because they know that not only will they then be accountable for their behavior going forward, they'll be accountable for the backlog of stuff, which is its own thing.
Adam ColemanYeah, I think it's.
Adam ColemanI think it's really important to apologize.
Adam ColemanNot under duress, not because some said you should, but because you, you want to.
Adam ColemanLike, if someone told me you need to apologize to her now, I'd be like, go yourself.
Adam ColemanDon't, don't leverage an apology because an apology is supposed to mean something.
Adam ColemanThing that's right.
Adam ColemanAnd if you genuinely mean it, then you apologize.
Adam ColemanBut don't, don't.
Adam ColemanLike, that's like a huge pet peeve of mine when someone tries to force me to do something, you know, even if they're right, even if that person's right and I should apologize.
Adam ColemanBut don't, don't try to force me to do something.
Adam ColemanI will do it because it's coming from heart and I want to do it.
Adam ColemanBut I, I do think that there's a need to, there's a need to be humble about your experience.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, I, and that's why I think it's important for us to talk about where we mess up.
Adam ColemanBecause I think there's so many people who, you know, the influences online who pretend that they've never messed up, never did anything wrong.
Adam ColemanThey're always right, you know, and even just the nature of being a born again Christian is saying I was wrong before.
Adam ColemanLike, I'm being humble enough to say I was wrong.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm doing the thing that I think is a long time, right, for quite some time.
Adam ColemanAnd so, like, for me, it's not, it's not embarrassing to acknowledge I messed up, because if I can talk about these things and maybe encourages somebody else to talk about it or to acknowledge where they're messing up, or maybe they're currently messing up.
Adam ColemanAnd they're just so fearful of acknowledging that messing up, that just keep repeating it.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, I've had.
Adam ColemanI've had people.
Adam ColemanThat's the other crazy part.
Adam ColemanIt's like people like you in this space, they offer advice that you didn't necessarily need at that moment, but you're glad that they gave you that advice.
Adam ColemanYou know, there was a guy who.
Adam ColemanIt was kind of like a cautionary tale.
Adam ColemanHe could see me ascending, and he said, hey, just so you know, he's an older guy.
Adam ColemanHe said, listen, I used to be on TV decades ago.
Adam ColemanI was in la.
Adam ColemanI was doing this, that.
Adam ColemanAnd I was really feeling myself.
Adam ColemanAnd I cheated on my wife, and she found out, and I loved my wife and it ruined my life.
Adam ColemanAnd I realized, what did I do this for?
Adam ColemanLike, I just got caught up.
Adam ColemanAnd I did this because I had ego and it was all pride and I just thought I could do stuff with no repercussions.
Adam ColemanAnd I hurt the person that I loved.
Adam ColemanAnd I messed up my life at that.
Adam ColemanAt that moment, because I was.
Adam ColemanI was chasing something that wasn't even important.
Adam ColemanAnd so he was like, make sure you don't follow into the mistakes that I did.
Adam ColemanNo, I didn't do anything.
Adam ColemanThere wasn't anything.
Adam ColemanAnything implied or anything like that.
Adam ColemanBut he felt the need to give me that reminder kind of early on.
Adam ColemanGive me the reminder.
Adam ColemanLike, I see what you're doing.
Adam ColemanI like it, and I see which way you're going.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm just giving you my cautionary tale in case you ever come across a situation.
Adam ColemanAnd.
Adam ColemanAnd so you don't make that mistake.
Adam ColemanBecause I.
Adam ColemanI love my wife a lot.
Adam ColemanI love her dearly and would never want to put myself in any sort of situation like that.
Adam ColemanAnd, you know, whenever I travel somewhere, I try to make sure my wife comes with me because, one, I want her there, but two, to show, like, I have no interest in any of this other stuff.
Adam ColemanI don't want to.
Adam ColemanI want to be tacitly involved in stuff.
Adam ColemanI want my wife.
Adam ColemanI want my wife only.
Adam ColemanI want her with me to see if I go and speak, if I go and sell books, stuff.
Adam ColemanLike, I want her with me because.
Adam ColemanReunion.
Adam ColemanAnd I think that's ultimately what he was trying to.
Adam ColemanTrying to explain to me is like, cherish your union.
Adam ColemanYou know, don't.
Adam ColemanDon't take it for granted like I did.
Adam ColemanAnd so that's.
Adam ColemanThat's a.
Adam ColemanThat's a lesson from just a random guy on Twitter who's been a follower of mine for quite some time who opened up and told me his story of his pain and his regret to make sure that I don't repeat his mistake.
Will SpencerYeah.
Will SpencerAnd he showed you a potential pitfall along the way that you weren't even thinking of.
Will SpencerAnd maybe it wouldn't have been on your radar anyway.
Will SpencerBut he's saying, like, hey, further down this road, you may encounter X.
Will SpencerIn case you do, don't do it.
Will SpencerBecause here's what happens.
Will SpencerI mean, the Bible is full of warnings against adulteresses.
Will SpencerLike, the mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit, I believe is one of them.
Will SpencerAnd you know, like, that's a thing, you know, like that think about that.
Will SpencerMen.
Will SpencerBut it was kind of him to reach out to you and in a way almost share his story with you.
Will SpencerI mean, in a very real way.
Will SpencerShare his story.
Will SpencerYeah, because it's like, hey, you know, don't do this, and here's me.
Will SpencerAnd so it seems to me that you create this space around you that people feel.
Will SpencerYou intentionally create the space around you that people feel comfortable in, whether it be people you're apologizing in dms, you have people reaching out to share personal parts of your story, whether it's someone that you're reaching out to personally to check on them.
Will SpencerLike, hey, are you.
Will SpencerYou okay?
Will SpencerLike, I felt something funny about what you wrote.
Will SpencerLike, what a rare, what a rare gift in the realm of social media to have a real, dare I say, a real person.
Will SpencerRight, Right.
Will SpencerSo what a gift that you offer to the people around you.
Will SpencerBecause whether.
Will SpencerWhether the, Whether the guidance from the man had anything to do with where you would ever be or not, it was something that he still.
Will SpencerSomething that he still felt called to share.
Will SpencerLike, hey, this is something that I learned in a really hard way.
Will SpencerIt's important to me to know this now, and I'd like to share that with you.
Will SpencerThat's a, That's a piece of him that he felt comfortable enough to share with you, because he probably wouldn't share that with a lot of people.
Adam ColemanYeah, and I'm.
Adam ColemanI'm always thankful.
Adam ColemanLike, I get DMs from people.
Adam ColemanI get emails from people in response to things that I write.
Adam ColemanI get people who say, thank you so much because this is my story.
Adam ColemanI really appreciate you.
Adam ColemanYou know, so I get, as much as we talk, it's very easy to notice the negative that exists out there.
Adam ColemanBut, like, the positive that I get disclutely dwarfs.
Adam ColemanThat's.
Adam ColemanSo when I, When I show off, like, the.
Adam ColemanThe hate DMs and the hate emails, stuff like that.
Adam ColemanLike, those things are rare.
Adam ColemanVery much so.
Adam ColemanOften I get.
Adam ColemanI get positive things.
Adam ColemanI get people who share their stories, very intimate stories.
Adam ColemanI've.
Adam ColemanI've had people.
Adam ColemanMy.
Adam ColemanMy first viral tweet was talking about my sadness of growing up without my father, how it impacted me.
Adam ColemanI can't even remember the exact tweet, but I remember Christopher Rufo retweeted it and it just took off from there.
Adam ColemanAnd I was a small account at the time, so.
Adam ColemanBut that.
Adam ColemanThat prompted so many DMs from people who were like, that's my story.
Adam ColemanOr they were the fathers who were trying to fight for custody with their kids.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's just.
Adam ColemanIt was just DM after dm, after DM from people who were telling me in.
Adam ColemanIn some detail their stories and what they were going through.
Adam ColemanAnd I remember that night, like, going to bed and I was, like, crying because it was.
Adam ColemanIt was so.
Adam ColemanIt was.
Adam ColemanIt was very much so emotional.
Adam ColemanAnd I was on top of that.
Adam ColemanI was still sort of new to Twitter, but it was very much so emotional for me to have so many people feel what I put out there enough to tell me their story.
Adam ColemanAnd so I don't.
Adam ColemanI always think whenever they tell me their story, I always read it and I thank them for sharing their story because they don't have to do that.
Adam ColemanAnd a lot of people feel very comfortable telling me, and I don't break the trust or anything like that and, you know, reveal anything, but, like, the fact that they feel open enough, tell me.
Adam ColemanBecause as much as they're strangers, me, I'm also a stranger to them.
Adam ColemanLike, they don't know me either.
Adam ColemanSo for them to feel comfortable enough to take a chance and reach out to me, I've had people who are like, I don't think you're going to read this, but I just wanted to say.
Adam ColemanAnd then, like, two seconds later, I'm like, thanks so much.
Adam ColemanYou're like, oh, my God.
Adam ColemanThey're always shocked.
Adam ColemanYeah, I'm just a regular guy.
Adam ColemanI use Twitter.
Adam ColemanI see a message, and thank you so much.
Adam ColemanI do appreciate it.
Adam ColemanSo I.
Adam ColemanYeah, like I said before, I take any of this stuff for granted.
Adam ColemanIt's hard for people to reveal themselves in general, nevertheless reveal themselves to complete strangers.
Will SpencerYes.
Will SpencerOh, my gosh, very much so.
Will SpencerI had a successful female content creator influencer reach out to me and just privately tell me about how she met her husband.
Will SpencerI had replied to something that she had said, you know, and I had replied at length, or maybe I had retweeted it and replied at length.
Will SpencerI said, like, giving her the benefit of the doubt of a bunch of stuff.
Will SpencerAnd then she reached out to kind of explain her story and I was like, well, first of all, thank you for sharing that with me.
Will SpencerAnd she said something really nice.
Will SpencerShe said, well, I trust you.
Will SpencerLike, thank you for saying that.
Will SpencerLike, we've never met, you know, but, but the, the idea that to be a kind of person where your personality, where yourself shines through the words, shines through the interactions, like, I think that's one of the beautiful things about, about social media.
Will SpencerThere's a lot that isn't good, but the idea that through reading words or watching someone or some, over some period of time, being like, you know what?
Will SpencerI'm just going to reach out to this guy.
Will SpencerIn fact, that's why you and I are talking is that I'd watched you for a while and, you know, I just like, well, I'm just going to shoot this guy a message.
Will SpencerAnd I know he's got a lot of things going on.
Will SpencerLet's just see if we can have a conversation.
Will SpencerAnd I was like, oh, my gosh.
Will SpencerHe replied.
Will SpencerSo I can relate very much to all these people that send you.
Will SpencerThat send you messages.
Will SpencerI mean, and I think it's a blessing to be able to have the.
Will SpencerI guess I might say the inner resources to be available in that way.
Will SpencerAnd I don't mean like available in terms of, like, you know, I'm.
Will SpencerI'm here to pick up the phone.
Will SpencerIt's like when someone messages, the ability to meet them with where.
Will SpencerMeet them where they're at, because that takes, that takes effort because you're wherever you're at during the day and this person's way over here and they send you a message saying, I'm struggling with something or whatever, and then you come over there to meet them where they're at.
Will SpencerLike, that's not easy to do in our, in our hectic lives.
Will SpencerAnd that requires a certain amount of inner resources to be able to do and I guess a generosity of spirit.
Adam ColemanYeah, I.
Adam ColemanI'm sort of glued to my phone because working at it, you, you know, you always have to have your phone on you.
Adam ColemanBut as far as being, like, emotionally available, I don't know where it comes from, but I'm okay with it.
Adam ColemanI'm okay with being emotionally available myself and talking about very intimate things or hearing people's stories.
Adam ColemanAlso, I know what it's like to send someone a thankful message and not get a reply.
Adam ColemanSo I'm just like, I respond to everybody.
Adam ColemanI check my emails, I check my DMs.
Adam ColemanAs long as you're not crazy, I'll send you at least like a thank you, you know, something like that.
Adam ColemanBecause, Because I'm thankful.
Adam ColemanLike, you don't have to tell me how, how much I impact your life.
Adam ColemanYou don't have to tell me thank you so much for what you did.
Adam ColemanYou don't have to tell me any of that stuff.
Adam ColemanBut you took the time out of your day to say something nice to me, a complete stranger.
Adam ColemanYeah, I'm going to thank you for that.
Will SpencerNow.
Adam ColemanIf you send me something crazy and call me a coon, I'm gonna mock you and I'm gonna ask you with.
Will SpencerThe energy you bring to me.
Adam ColemanRight?
Adam ColemanAnd I won't let that hurt me.
Adam ColemanI will actually call you.
Adam ColemanYou're.
Adam ColemanYou're my biggest fan.
Adam ColemanThat's my, my thing.
Adam ColemanThese are my biggest fans.
Adam ColemanThe ones who, like, I just know I can't imagine hating someone so much that I send them an angry message.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, oh, you're just, you're a confused fan, but you're just like a really big fan.
Adam ColemanThat's why you send me that message.
Adam ColemanLike you'll know what to do with that energy.
Will SpencerI love what I do.
Adam ColemanYeah, exactly.
Will SpencerYou just don't know how to express all the affection.
Adam ColemanThat's exactly what it is.
Adam ColemanIt's like there's a thin line between love and hate and they're just like toeing that line.
Adam ColemanThey don't know exactly how, how to deal with that pent up emotion.
Adam ColemanSo I always give them my well played, my biggest grace.
Adam ColemanThank you so much to my kids fans who send me these messages.
Will SpencerIt's funny, I was thinking about that today as I was driving.
Will SpencerJust the number of hate tweets, angry stuff that just comes across every day.
Will SpencerAnd I was just looking around the car and I was like, it could be any of these people.
Will SpencerI mean, it probably isn't.
Will SpencerI'm trying to imagine that the spirit of the person who's just like, you know, they see something on Twitter and they're like, kill yourself.
Will SpencerIt's like what people walking around, walking around during the day, you know, like what?
Will SpencerLike they just get on their phone and it's like they call you a coon and then they put it down and they go like, order a latte or something.
Will SpencerLike, I just don't understand how that fits together into a real person.
Adam ColemanI hope your family dies.
Adam ColemanHey, so we'll go play ball.
Will SpencerExactly.
Will SpencerExactly.
Adam ColemanSorry.
Will SpencerAs I was saying.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanThe world is weird in that.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanI think the Internet and anonymity forces people to, like, they're so separate.
Adam ColemanThat's what I'm saying.
Adam ColemanIt's the separation of people, and it's so easy to kind of see as things.
Adam ColemanAnd it's just a screen.
Adam ColemanA screen name and an avatar and stuff like that.
Adam ColemanAnd it's why I try my best to criticize ideas rather than criticize person, because obviously we've changed our minds and stuff.
Adam ColemanAnd so I think it's good to have grace because I've met, like, for example, I talk about leftists, but I talk about leftists as far as, like, the ideology of leftists, not the individual.
Will SpencerRight.
Adam ColemanAnd I've met former leftists who are people, and.
Adam ColemanAnd they're like, I'm glad that there are people who gave me grace to fit this ideology and move elsewhere to think for myself on these particular things.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, I think that's.
Adam ColemanThat's also important.
Adam ColemanSo I try not to.
Adam ColemanI try not to go after the individual.
Adam ColemanI try to go after either the behavior or the ideology of a particular person.
Will SpencerThank you for saying that.
Will SpencerI've been saying that a lot lately.
Will SpencerLike, go after their ideas or the behavior or the words, not the individual.
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerLike, you know, don't.
Will SpencerDon't use personal pejoratives, you know, because if an idea is bad, it's a lie.
Will SpencerYou can just punch through it the right way.
Will SpencerBut I think the challenge is people get their ideas wrapped around the axle of their identity, and when you start poking at the idea, they can't distinguish the idea from themselves.
Will SpencerLike, I get that.
Will SpencerYou know, I poke at feminism a lot.
Will SpencerI enjoy doing it, but so many people have it wrapped around their identity.
Will SpencerLike, they.
Will SpencerAnd they don't.
Will SpencerMaybe they know, maybe they don't, but it can be.
Will SpencerIt can be very.
Will SpencerIt can be very sensitive.
Will SpencerBut, like, again, it's kind of the arena, right?
Will SpencerIt's the.
Will SpencerIt's the public marketplace, the marketplace of ideas.
Will SpencerAnd so we should feel free to let ideas bash into each other and see which one wins.
Will SpencerAnd I think there's a strange phenomenon where, When.
Will SpencerWhen people build their platforms based on bad ideas, right?
Will SpencerAnd there's only one good idea in history, and that's Christ, you know, so you have that as a solid foundation.
Will SpencerThere might be a few other.
Will SpencerI don't mean to be so Hyperbolic about it, but, you know, we're talking about solid foundations to stand on.
Will SpencerAnd so people build their platforms based on ideas.
Will SpencerA great example, Richard Dawkins.
Will SpencerRichard Dawkins is a great example that's been up lately.
Will SpencerYou know, he built his whole.
Will SpencerHis whole career essentially, on evolutionary science, materialism, denying God, like, that was his whole deal through the 90s and early 2000s.
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerBlind.
Will SpencerThe universe is blind.
Will SpencerPitiless indifference with no justice anywhere.
Will SpencerThat's like one of his famous quotes.
Will SpencerAnd then a couple of weeks ago, he posts like, I lost my entire Facebook account for questioning.
Will SpencerSomething about the riots going on in the UK that seems really unfair.
Will SpencerAnd, like, I hit him with that quote.
Will SpencerLike, is this you?
Will SpencerRight?
Will SpencerAnd so, like, when you build your platform based on this idea, and then you're held accountable for the idea.
Will SpencerWell, what did he do?
Will SpencerHe deleted the whole.
Will SpencerHe deleted the whole tweet.
Will SpencerHe ran from the accountability of his own.
Will SpencerOf his own idea.
Will SpencerAnd, like.
Will SpencerAnd so to.
Will SpencerSo to prevent that, it's like, no, defend your ideas in the marketplace if you can.
Will SpencerAnd that, I think, is one of the great blessings with Twitter that we haven't had before.
Will SpencerBut like you said, it can get demonic, and we can easily just slide off and lose ourselves in the combat, you know, and become very fleshly about it and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I need to punch out of this for a second and go touch grass.
Will SpencerAnd remember that, yes, it's righteous combat against ideas.
Will SpencerAnd I'm a person, and they're a person as well.
Will SpencerIt can be quite demanding, actually, now that I describe it that way.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanBut I also.
Adam ColemanI do think that I have many, many of strategies that I implement.
Adam ColemanI think sometimes people don't think.
Adam ColemanThey just do when it comes to Twitter.
Adam ColemanThey just use it like a diary.
Adam ColemanBut everything that I put out, it's kind of like a lawyer, the lawyer, a good lawyer is supposed to know the answer to a question that they ask.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanYou know, you don't ask that question if you don't know the answer.
Adam ColemanSo I.
Adam ColemanI know the response that I'll get based on the tweet that I'm about to craft.
Adam ColemanI already know.
Adam ColemanIt's very, very easy for me.
Adam ColemanAnd so every word that I use I know will elicit a particular response.
Adam ColemanI know if I use a qualifier that alleviates the people who say, well, you're being general.
Adam ColemanActually, no, as a qualifier, I'm being very specific.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanSo you can't fight that.
Adam ColemanSo there.
Adam ColemanThere's very particular Strategies that I implement to avoid most of what become when it comes to stuff like that.
Adam ColemanBut as far as you're talking about identity, I am.
Adam ColemanIf anybody follows me, like yourself, I am very much so.
Adam ColemanIdentity less.
Adam ColemanObviously, people know about my faith and I talk about them, but outside of that, people don't really know my philosophy.
Adam ColemanYou know, there's a lot of people who presume my philosophy.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanYou can see, like, you know, Tom Soul on the wall.
Adam ColemanOh, he must be black conservative.
Adam ColemanAnd I ask people, am I.
Adam ColemanHave you heard me say, you know, as a black conservative?
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanAm I holding me being black as, like, this deity?
Adam ColemanNo, I don't do that either.
Adam ColemanSo when someone calls me a coon, it doesn't bother me because being black is, like, very, very far down on the list.
Adam ColemanYou can't really hurt me on that.
Adam ColemanAnd that's an identity that I was born with.
Adam ColemanI had no choice but to be black.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, so you can't really hurt me there.
Adam ColemanI'm an independent.
Adam ColemanI've said it multiple times.
Adam ColemanSo that's the one identity.
Adam ColemanBecause people tried to put you in the dichotomy of identity.
Adam ColemanAre you Republican or Democrat?
Adam ColemanYou sound like a liberal.
Adam ColemanYou sound like a conservative.
Adam ColemanWell, I'm an independent, and so I don't care if you smear Republicans.
Adam ColemanI don't care.
Adam ColemanThat's right.
Adam ColemanThat's my party.
Will SpencerThat's right.
Adam ColemanYou know, I.
Adam ColemanI've literally heard people say, your party.
Adam ColemanAnd I.
Adam ColemanAnd I say, I don't have party.
Adam ColemanI'm.
Adam ColemanI'm independent.
Will SpencerThat's right.
Adam ColemanI don't.
Adam ColemanI don't.
Adam ColemanI've never identified as a republic.
Adam ColemanThe most that someone's ever seen me say is, I voted Republican once in my entire life.
Adam ColemanThat's it.
Adam ColemanBut I'm independent, so you can't attack on the party.
Adam ColemanYou can attack me, particularly on political ideology, because in some things, I'm pretty liberal.
Adam ColemanOn other things, I'm kind of conservative on.
Adam ColemanI said, I'm independent, so you can't attack me as being part of this party and part of that party.
Adam ColemanSo, like, throughout the line, I don't pigeonhole myself into a particular box that someone can constantly attack.
Adam ColemanSo, which means you now have to attack what I say.
Adam ColemanRight?
Adam ColemanI've never worn the Trump hat.
Adam ColemanI've never done.
Adam ColemanI've never done any of these things.
Adam ColemanI've purposely not set up a trap for myself.
Adam ColemanAnd everything I've tweeted, I stand behind.
Adam ColemanSo attack what I said.
Adam ColemanAnd that's the thing.
Adam ColemanIf you attack something and I didn't say it, well, then you're not attacking me.
Adam ColemanYou're attacking someone else.
Adam ColemanAnd so.
Will SpencerOr the avatar.
Adam ColemanYeah, taking the avatar.
Adam ColemanSo everything that I do on that platform is very much so thought about, I think about all this.
Adam ColemanEarly on, I would schedule my tweets.
Adam ColemanI would do like.
Adam ColemanI would schedule like three tweets in a given day, and there were times that I would schedule it, and then two hours later, I would go in and refine it because I want to add in a word so someone can't mistake, I said.
Adam ColemanAnd so everything was perfectly crafted as to how I want to say it.
Adam ColemanAnd I knew that crafting this way would elicit this particular response.
Adam ColemanNow, whether it became a successful tweet or not is a different story.
Adam ColemanBut I care more about the response and less about the success of it.
Adam ColemanThe success will come, whatever.
Adam ColemanBut I cared more about the response.
Adam ColemanAnd so I think if people were more crafty and thoughtful about what they put out, even down to just the particular word that they might use.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanBecause one word might assist someone to be angry.
Adam ColemanOne word elicit empathy.
Adam ColemanAnd you could be talking about the same thing.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanSo that's where for me, the advantage of writing constantly and reading people and understanding, like when I said this, they're going to think this, or if I say this word, they're no longer going to consider the rest of what I say.
Adam ColemanBecause that's the thing too.
Adam ColemanIf you, if you use a word that is very polarizing, they forget everything else that you said.
Adam ColemanThey just focus on that word, you know, so it's.
Adam ColemanThat's a real thing too.
Will SpencerYeah, the cognitive red light.
Will SpencerLike, as soon as I see that, I stop.
Will SpencerSo can I, Can I push on something that you said a little bit?
Adam ColemanSure.
Will SpencerSo.
Will SpencerSo I, I think it's.
Will SpencerIt's.
Will SpencerI've noticed that your, Your identity less in your Twitter, and I've.
Will SpencerI've felt that.
Will SpencerThat, I guess that presence, or it's not a lack of presence.
Will SpencerI felt that character of your Twitter.
Will SpencerSo.
Will SpencerSo you.
Will SpencerSo you have the photo of Thomas Olap.
Will SpencerYou don't identify as a black conservative, and you don't build a lot on top of your blackness in general.
Will SpencerBut is that, is there not a way in which that is also a statement, considering so many black people today, it seems to me, and I mean, so many different groups are taught to build their identity on top of their identity.
Adam ColemanRight.
Will SpencerIs that, Is that not a statement in and of itself?
Will SpencerI appreciate the statement, but is that not a statement in and of itself.
Adam ColemanYeah, I guess you could say that.
Adam ColemanIt's.
Adam ColemanIt's a.
Adam ColemanIt's a statement, but it's.
Adam ColemanIt's a difficult statement to pin me down on.
Adam ColemanOkay, I'm not over.
Adam ColemanI'm not overtly saying I reject this.
Adam ColemanI'm just not talking about it right much.
Adam ColemanIn the same way I don't talk about Israel and Palestine, not because I support Israel or I support Palestine, but I just don't talk about it.
Adam ColemanSo the, the absence of it just leaves people to, I don't know, think that either it doesn't matter that much to me or I don't.
Adam ColemanI don't care, or I just care to share.
Adam ColemanSo this leaves a lot of misery behind it.
Adam ColemanBut like the, the race thing, see, this is.
Adam ColemanAll right, so this is the benefit of not just having Twitter to write and writing for other places, because Twitter is good for certain things, but it's not good for everything.
Adam ColemanAnd so if people really want to attack me, they need to read the articles that I write, because then they'll really get the full grasp of what I think about stuff.
Adam ColemanBut my Twitter is only used for certain things at certain times because you can't have as much as people want.
Adam ColemanYou can't have every discussion on there.
Adam ColemanLike, it's just going to evolve into stupidity.
Adam ColemanSo if you want to know how I feel about something, I'm going to get it published and put it here.
Adam ColemanYou go, read it and you make up your mind what you think about it.
Adam ColemanJust call it a day.
Adam ColemanSo because of that, when I get accused of being a Trump sycophant, like, because one thing, that's the avatar they see, like, such and such follows you.
Adam ColemanSuch and such follows you.
Adam ColemanSo you must be a Trumper.
Adam ColemanAnd this and this and that.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm like, oh, if I'm a Trump sycophant, so read my article in the New York Post where I said that Ron DeSantis would be a better option than Donald Trump.
Adam ColemanHere you go.
Adam ColemanHere's the link.
Adam ColemanYou know, if I'm a Trump sick fan, how come I never voted for him?
Adam ColemanLike, so it's just.
Adam ColemanIt's down.
Adam ColemanIt's down to these different things where I can.
Adam ColemanI can literally hit somebody with a link and say, actually, not only did I state the opposite of what you're stating, I stated with one of the biggest publications in the country, the oldest paper in the country.
Adam ColemanI'm very proud to say, oldest paper in the country.
Adam ColemanSo here you go.
Adam ColemanI can Send you the newspaper clipping if you want.
Adam ColemanYou know, it's that kind of thing.
Adam ColemanSo that's where I kind of leave that stuff off Twitter, because I can't.
Adam ColemanI can't have everything there.
Adam ColemanObviously I put links to articles that I write on Twitter, but to put stuff in Twitter statements and stuff like that and try to explain how I feel about everything.
Adam ColemanUnder.
Adam ColemanHonestly, for some of the stuff, I don't even want feedback on it.
Adam ColemanLike, I.
Adam ColemanWhen I publish this stuff, these publications, I don't, I don't read comments.
Adam ColemanI learned lesson one time I read the comments.
Adam ColemanProbably wise.
Adam ColemanYeah, I.
Adam ColemanI read it one time on for the New York Post, and it was something about giving thanks.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, oh, let me read the comments.
Adam ColemanAnd I read the first comment, it was something insane.
Adam ColemanAnd I was like, of course.
Adam ColemanWhat?
Adam ColemanLesson learned.
Adam ColemanDon't read the comments.
Adam ColemanSo literally everything that I put out there, I just.
Adam ColemanI just don't read the comments.
Adam ColemanIf I put it for a publication, I don't read it.
Adam ColemanThis is how I feel.
Adam ColemanYou like it, you hate it.
Adam ColemanI don't care.
Adam ColemanI don't Google, search my name and see if people talking about me.
Adam ColemanI prefer that people don't share stuff about what I'm saying, what saying about me.
Adam ColemanLike I care.
Adam ColemanLet them say whatever they want.
Adam ColemanI don't care.
Adam ColemanYou know, this is for me.
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI don't.
Adam ColemanI don't really care if try to bring it to me, I block them and I move on.
Adam ColemanDon't even acknowledge them because I realize at that moment I'm more relevant and they want to get my attention.
Adam ColemanThey want me to fight with them and stuff like that.
Adam ColemanAnd that's not my purpose here.
Adam ColemanI.
Adam ColemanI'm not here to fight with you.
Adam ColemanSo it's exactly why you don't see Twitter draw between me and anybody else.
Adam ColemanI don't.
Adam ColemanI just literally don't argue with people I might criticize, like some leftists.
Adam ColemanBut usually when I do that, I block them and I do a screenshot and move on.
Adam ColemanThis is that idea.
Adam ColemanIt's dumb, doesn't make sense.
Adam ColemanHere's why.
Adam ColemanAnd I move on with the rest of life.
Adam ColemanSo I.
Adam ColemanEverything that I do on that website, it is carefully constructed because I ask myself, what is the purpose of this?
Adam ColemanRight?
Adam ColemanIs this beneficial to me?
Adam ColemanIt's a big question.
Adam ColemanIf I say this, what's the benefit from this?
Adam ColemanAnd if there's no benefit, I just don't do it.
Adam ColemanWhat's the benefit?
Adam ColemanIf I acknowledge the person, it's like when Roland Martin didn't like one of my pieces in the New York Post and he misframed what I was trying to say and I saw it like at three in the morning and I was like, to respond to Roland Martin.
Adam ColemanNo, Block went back to sleep.
Will SpencerBye.
Adam ColemanAnd that's it, bro.
Will SpencerGoodbye.
Adam ColemanI don't care.
Adam ColemanGo ahead, talk with, with your five actual interactive followers.
Adam ColemanGo ahead and talk about me.
Adam ColemanI don't care.
Adam ColemanI'm going to go back to sleep next to my wife and enjoy my rest.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, it's that kind of thing.
Adam ColemanI don't, I don't give people the time of day when it comes to stuff like this.
Adam ColemanIf you don't like it, then that's, that's your problem.
Will SpencerYeah, I have a similar thought process.
Will SpencerLike if I'm going to post this, am I ready to take on all the consequences intended or otherwise from this post today?
Will SpencerLike if I were to post this right now and this goes mega viral and it gets subjected to millions of views, like Twitter is the only platform in the world, I think, where you can write, where you have to write something knowing that no one might see it and everyone might see it at the same time.
Will SpencerLike, it's impossible.
Will SpencerIt's impossible to write something that no one will see and everyone will see.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerSo for me it's like, ah, do I feel if this were to go viral today for whatever reason, do I really feel like dealing with it?
Will SpencerNo, I don't feel like with it today.
Will SpencerSo, you know, just like save it and draft or delete or something like that.
Will SpencerOr sometimes I get lucky and, you know, sometimes I'll hit the wrong button, it'll get deleted on its own.
Will SpencerI'm like, thanks, God, I appreciate you making that call for me.
Will SpencerBut it's a, it's a, it's a real thing to have to calculate that to say, oh, you know, given that, like you, I hold myself accountable for all my words.
Will SpencerI posted it, I said it, this is on me.
Will SpencerSo, you know, on my podcast, these are my words, Instagram, email list, all of it.
Will SpencerAnd so having that level of accountability means a certain degree of thoughtfulness.
Will SpencerIt can't just be hot takes, it can't just be like, I'm just going to pop off on this random person on this comment just for fun, because I have to be accountable for what happens with that comment.
Will SpencerAs you had to go through humbling yourself to reach out to that woman to say, hey, that was a moment where you were not thoughtful about what you were saying, or maybe you also didn't have all the information.
Will SpencerYou were not as thoughtful as you otherwise would have liked to be.
Will SpencerAnd so you went back with thoughtfulness to make restitution and that.
Will SpencerWe don't want to make a policy out of that.
Will SpencerLike you don't want to be doing that every day because the conscience hit of like, of dealing with it for an entire day of like the conscience nagging, you know, and that's not a bad thing.
Will SpencerBut the conscience saying like, hey, that wasn't so good.
Will SpencerLike, oh, it's, it's, it's painful.
Will SpencerIt's really, really painful.
Will SpencerAnd so I'd rather live in alignment and maybe not go as viral or maybe not be have as hot takes like, well, I would rather be accountable for my words than just be, you know, fire blasting everything out there and you know, yolo.
Adam ColemanYeah, exactly.
Adam ColemanI have the same thought process.
Will SpencerSo do you want to talk about some of the work you do on Wrong Speak for a second?
Will SpencerBecause you mentioned that's where you have some of your more in depth thoughts.
Will SpencerMaybe we can just talk about that for a bit.
Adam ColemanWell, actually, with Wrong Speak, I started it.
Adam ColemanI technically started while I was writing the book.
Adam ColemanThen I took a hiatus.
Adam ColemanIt was mainly a place for me to kind of rant about stuff while I was writing the book.
Will SpencerSure.
Adam ColemanBut I, after the book, I want to turn into a platform and invite people to write.
Adam ColemanRegular people, people who are aspiring to be writers.
Adam ColemanI was just inviting people to tell their story, their, their viewpoints, whatever.
Adam ColemanAnd with the premise that it's free speech, intellectual thought.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, I, you know, we talk about hate speech and stuff like that.
Adam ColemanWhite supremacy, for example.
Adam ColemanIt's not intellectual.
Adam ColemanIt's very stupid.
Adam ColemanRight.
Adam ColemanJust so that's why I'm like, yes, we're free speech ish.
Adam ColemanYou know, like, obviously some guys, like, let me tell you about being a Nazi is great.
Adam ColemanLike obviously we wouldn't publish that because that's not very intellectual.
Adam ColemanRight.
Will SpencerThat's really.
Adam ColemanSo that's why, you know, the pursuit for free speech in its absolute form, I understand to an extent, but I also understand that a platform like X can't be profitable in the long run.
Adam ColemanIt's going to come to a point where Elon's going to have to make stronger rules regarding speech or he's going to have to implement even stronger freedom of speech, but not reach policies that might piss off other people to make those particular people the people who's pop in and say the Jews did everything Those guys back to gab and just.
Adam ColemanAnd wherever.
Adam ColemanBut as far as once we goes, we encourage people to submit articles.
Adam ColemanMost of the articles are voluntary, just regular people who want to write, who want to express themselves.
Adam ColemanWe got into news for a bit, getting some journalists to highlight stories that are interesting, not necessarily clickbaity.
Adam ColemanAnd we're trying to dabble with book publishing.
Adam ColemanSo not just my book, but we have one other book here, the Luminesque Manual, Elizabeth Lang, which is a fictional book, Aurelian and its take.
Adam ColemanSo, you know, we're trying to be a springboard.
Adam ColemanI think that's kind of the best way.
Adam ColemanA lot of people want to be the best at this and the best this and the top this, where I care more about the creators.
Adam ColemanI care more about giving them an opportunity to be seen.
Adam ColemanSo we've had people who've had articles seen by, especially the Federalists, where the Federalists reached out to me, like, hey, can you connect me to this writer?
Adam ColemanAnd I help them.
Adam ColemanI've had writers reach out to me asking, can you connect me to this publication?
Adam ColemanAnd I try to help them.
Adam ColemanSo try to foster an environment where we're helping to support different people.
Adam ColemanAnd much in the way as I've caught some success, I use my name to kind of pay it forward for other people.
Adam ColemanSo, for example, I.
Adam ColemanI have three editors.
Adam ColemanAll three editors live in different places.
Adam ColemanBut I went to a convention in Phoenix.
Adam ColemanI got my editor that lives in Arizona a pass to come in, and we met in person.
Adam ColemanI did an event last year in Memphis.
Adam ColemanI got one of my editors a pass and the flight to come into Memphis to be with us to meet in person, come to a convention.
Adam ColemanThis year, went to Vegas.
Adam ColemanI got another editor pass and I paid for it to come out to Vegas to help sell books and be on a panel as well, introduce these people to people within the media that I've met and get their name out there, interact people.
Adam ColemanAnd none of that would have been possible without wrong speed.
Adam ColemanAnd for two of my editors, when I met them, they were anonymous.
Adam ColemanOne of them used some random screen name in an avatar.
Adam ColemanNow she uses her full name and her picture.
Adam ColemanThe second one used her picture but an alias.
Adam ColemanAnd I convinced her to, well, and here's the thing, say convinced.
Adam ColemanI actually didn't tell them to do it.
Adam ColemanThey asked me, should I do it?
Adam ColemanBecause they were looking at me like, adam's a regular guy using his real name and everything.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm like, listen, don't be so scared.
Adam ColemanAnd they on their Own came to me one day and said, you know what?
Adam ColemanI'm gonna.
Adam ColemanI'm gonna use my real name and my picture.
Adam ColemanI'm like, go for it.
Adam ColemanAnd they did.
Adam ColemanAnd I.
Adam ColemanAnd since then, they don't regret and they feel so much freer because hiding, Hiding yourself is so restrictive in having.
Adam ColemanFearful that someone is going to do something.
Adam ColemanLike, it's like, no, that's part of the problem of censorship is self censorship.
Adam ColemanIt's making you scared that something's going to happen to you.
Adam ColemanIt's taking that horror story of that poor person who got canceled and making you think that's common rather than being extremely rare that that's going to happen.
Adam ColemanSo, like, that is how they win, is by making you scared.
Adam ColemanSo don't be scared.
Adam ColemanAnd if you're.
Adam ColemanThat's why for me, if someone attempted to.
Adam ColemanIt's hard for someone to attempt to cancel now.
Adam ColemanEspecially because I've been so open and vulnerable about my life and writing for major publications.
Adam ColemanI'm not hiding.
Adam ColemanSo the people who are, who are the biggest victims of cancer culture, the people who are trying to hide and they have something that they're.
Adam ColemanWhether it be a job that they have that it's really precious of them, they don't want, that's when they come even harder.
Adam ColemanWe're going to take that from you because you're scared of it.
Adam ColemanAnd for me, I'm like, man, I've had nothing.
Adam ColemanI've had absolutely nothing.
Adam ColemanLike, go ahead and take it.
Adam ColemanLike, I.
Adam ColemanIt sucks, sure, but I'll be okay.
Adam ColemanI'll be okay.
Adam ColemanAnd now I'm not by myself.
Adam ColemanI have a lovely family, my wife and everything to back me up as well, which is extremely beneficial.
Adam ColemanBut even if I didn't have her, like, I, I wouldn't be scared.
Adam ColemanUm, because I think being scared is how they come after you.
Adam ColemanUm, when you're hiding and don't want to be canceled, that's when they come harder.
Adam ColemanBut I, I, from the very beginning, I was prepared for this.
Adam ColemanI used my real name.
Adam ColemanI used my face.
Adam ColemanMy real face is what I really look like.
Adam ColemanI've always been transparent about my life and things that I've done.
Adam ColemanI talk about my faults.
Adam ColemanI talk about things that I did wrong.
Adam ColemanI talk about my progress, my success and failures, everything.
Adam ColemanSo it's hard to try to cancel me because I'm not scared.
Adam ColemanLike, I'm not hiding something.
Adam ColemanSo it's.
Adam ColemanAnd on top of that, I'm not.
Adam ColemanI'm not that controversial.
Adam ColemanLike, I really noticed Right.
Will SpencerIt's a blessing to be able to use.
Will SpencerI think, what you said earlier about integrity and confidence and the path that you've walked and having Christ and travel, like all of these pieces kind of come together to have you standing on a stable platform that you treat responsibly as a human being and treating other human beings as human beings.
Will SpencerAnd so that gives you.
Will SpencerAnd of course, you're using your real face and your real name, and so there's nothing really to be found out.
Will SpencerThere's no place really for them to go.
Will SpencerAnd you're on solid foundation, say, within yourself, and you're on solid foundation with God and your conscience.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerAnd you're in a solid foundation with your family.
Will SpencerIt's those men that need to be fighting, and men need to get to that place before they can start fighting, before they can start really fighting.
Will SpencerAnd I think that there's such a need for that, because those men can create a sense of safety for others around them to then use their voice like, yes, I'll take this for you.
Will SpencerRight.
Will SpencerI'll take.
Will SpencerOh, I will take the heat.
Will SpencerI will draw the fire, because I'm in a stable foundation.
Will SpencerThen just come and join me and let's all push these ideas together.
Will SpencerTo me, that's.
Will SpencerThat's one of the definitions of leadership today.
Adam ColemanYeah, I agree with him.
Will SpencerWell, this has been a fantastic conversation.
Will SpencerI greatly appreciate your generosity of time and generosity of spirit.
Will SpencerWe didn't talk about any of the things that I expected we would, but we talked about far better things.
Will SpencerAnd so I appreciate the.
Will SpencerI appreciate the opportunity to connect on so many different aspects of life that are important to me, and to discover that they were also important to you was.
Will SpencerWas a great blessing and a great surprise.
Will SpencerSo thank you.
Adam ColemanThank you.
Adam ColemanI do appreciate you as well.
Will SpencerSo where would you like to send people to find out more about what you have about you and what you do?
Adam ColemanDefinitely on Twitter or whatever you want to call it at.
Adam ColemanWrong.
Adam ColemanUnderscore Speak.
Adam ColemanI'm on Substack.
Adam ColemanYou can go to ww.com or Adam B.
Adam ColemanColeman substack.com because the same place.
Adam ColemanAnd my brick bread series on YouTube.
Adam ColemanYou can go there YouTube.com/speak and you can watch the different episodes just real quick.
Adam ColemanBreaking Bread is a series that I started doing.
Adam ColemanI basically sit down, enjoy a deal with people, and we talk politics, life, culture, religion, whatever.
Adam ColemanIt's in person only.
Adam ColemanSo they sometimes come to my house.
Adam ColemanI travel there.
Adam ColemanThis weekend, I'm going to D.C.
Adam Colemanand I'll be sitting down with one or two people.
Adam ColemanSo it's a very casual, nice experience.
Adam ColemanAnd I'm basically a one man, one man show as far as setting up the equipment and all this other stuff and learning that over the past year.
Adam ColemanAnd this is, this is one of the cameras that I use too.
Will SpencerDo you bring lights with you?
Will SpencerJust real quick, I saw, I saw a bunch of those.
Will SpencerI wasn't sure what they were, but it was like, wow, this is someone's actual house.
Will SpencerLike, this isn't a set.
Will SpencerLike, what a, what a thing to be invited so far into someone's life.
Will SpencerBut do you bring lights with you or is it just the camera?
Will SpencerDo you find a well lit spot?
Adam ColemanSo over the past year has been a progression and upgrading stuff and I completely underwhelmed lighting and so I invested in a light I'm using right now.
Adam ColemanI invested in this light.
Adam ColemanAwesome time ago.
Adam ColemanAnd man, I'm so glad I did that.
Adam ColemanI was like, oh, this is so much better.
Adam ColemanYeah, it's so much better because before I was trying to use natural light and then, you know, the sun would move and then it would just be all this other stuff.
Adam ColemanSo now I'll be traveling with a couple of boom mics.
Adam ColemanI got three cameras.
Adam ColemanI got the big light here, you know, I got my sound recorder.
Adam ColemanI got like, I have a whole, a whole setup.
Adam ColemanAnd what's crazy is I take it on the road too.
Adam ColemanI, I, I just, I was just in Atlanta.
Adam ColemanI've been to Florida a couple times.
Adam ColemanI've been to London twice with it, you know, so I've, I've traveled a bunch with this setup as well as dc.
Adam ColemanI've been dc, like, I think this would be my fourth time filming in DC for Brain Bread.
Adam ColemanSo I, I'm always ticking on the road as well as inviting people into my home to sit down and have a conversation.
Will SpencerWell, it's a great looking series and I look forward to checking out.
Will SpencerIt looks like some very personal conversations.
Adam ColemanYep.
Adam ColemanYeah.
Adam ColemanThank you.
Will SpencerGreat.
Will SpencerWell, thank you very much, Adam.
Will SpencerI appreciate it.
Adam ColemanMy pleasure.
Adam ColemanSa.